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Shadewfox - Corporate Thievery
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Zenvati Rxeni
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-01-17 03:00:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenvati Rxeni
Ok guys, a member who was recently kicked from my corporation for breaking rules and disobeying direct orders decided to clear the public tower SMA when he left. He stole ships including a vargur and the ones he didn't want to steal he suicided in sleeper sites. Recruit him at your own risk.

P.S. - He also is awful at eve, was in the corp for 2 weeks and managed to lose 2 paladins to sleepers after receiving thorough instruction, the reason he was being kicked was for disobeying a direct order by doing a site that leadership new wouldn't end well for him that he was directly ordered by the CEO to stay clear of, (aka his second pali loss.)

If you don't care to just take my word for it, i'll get my hands on screenshots of his wallet history selling the vargur/the fitting, as well as the killmail of the cyclone that he suicided.
Berasus
Ice station zebra
#2 - 2014-01-17 03:44:56 UTC
Soooo, just out of curiosity, at the point where you decided to tell this person you were kicking them out of of the corp for rule breaking why did he still have access to corp assets? 1st indication anyone should have that they're being kicked from the corp is either a) they've lost all their access to everything valuable or b) they've already been kicked from the corp.

Theres a reason why when some workplaces fire you they have security walk you to your desk/office to pack your crap and then out the building.
Zenvati Rxeni
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-01-17 03:48:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenvati Rxeni
Leadership was actually unaware that he had access to valuable assets. The only valuable thing he got was the vargur which was completely my fault. TBH, he left his own tower up worth about 400mil once we take it down. And he had about 800mil in payouts that will now go to buying me a new vargur. All he ended up hurting was himself.

Your point is entirely valid.

Edit: In W-space its tricky to not notify someone as generally its a courtesy to let them remove their assets, if we decided just to pod him out and steal his assets that wouldn't put us in a good light.
Paranoid Loyd
#4 - 2014-01-17 05:10:02 UTC
Sounds like poor leadership lead him to a life of crime, shame on you, you should step down from your position.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#5 - 2014-01-17 06:14:40 UTC
There are at least 2 sides to every accusation we read here.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-01-17 12:33:32 UTC
For future reference, here's an easy guide to booting corpi's in double ewe space:

1. "Hey guy! We're running that hard ass site, hurry out"
2. Bubble up.
3. Place said corpi on the ol' pod express
4. Profit

Please note that 3. has not been redacted as per usual eve-o policy. This is for the sake of your next vargur and normal "counting" procedures shall resume forthwith.

Also, can I join your corp?
Zenvati Rxeni
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-01-17 12:39:56 UTC
I gain solace from the fact that for every troll there is someone who will avoid recruiting this guy now.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2014-01-17 14:21:50 UTC
Zenvati Rxeni wrote:
Leadership was actually unaware that he had access to valuable assets. The only valuable thing he got was the vargur which was completely my fault. TBH, he left his own tower up worth about 400mil once we take it down. And he had about 800mil in payouts that will now go to buying me a new vargur. All he ended up hurting was himself.

Your point is entirely valid.

Edit: In W-space its tricky to not notify someone as generally its a courtesy to let them remove their assets, if we decided just to pod him out and steal his assets that wouldn't put us in a good light.


So you tell him he is booted.
He can't be arsed moving his tower.
He doubts you will pay the isk he earned from sites.
He selects a ship worth a bit less than the tower and the isk owed and leaves.
Why even complain at this point? If anything you stole a couple hundred mill from him.
and that is your side of the story! As erotica1 so wisely points out the other side is often markedly different.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-01-17 14:53:00 UTC
You kept his tower, he kept your ship(s).

The EvE gods are pleased.

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Zenvati Rxeni
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2014-01-17 17:14:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenvati Rxeni
I was actually going to contract it to him and then I realized that he had stolen ships, if he had not been an idiot he would've gotten his tower and allbof his payouts. He wasn't kicked on bad terms.
T Rowe Price
T Rowe Price Financial
#11 - 2014-01-17 17:25:04 UTC  |  Edited by: T Rowe Price
Zenvati Rxeni wrote:
I was actually going to contract it to him and then I realized that he had stolen ships, if he had not been an idiot he would've gotten his tower and allbof his payouts. He wasn't kicked on bad terms.


"He wasn't kicked on bad terms." LOLOLOLOLOL

I'm not sure that you are pointing your finger at the right idiot. Try turning it toward yourself maybe? Yep... Now you are on the right track.

So, the guy lost a pair of Mauraders... Big deal. Was this guy trained on how to fight the Sleepers? Sounds like you lost more to me. How does one come to be a slayer of Sleepers and is worried over the loss of 1 or 2 billion? Are you sure that you know what you're doing in that wormhole? Can you please post the J#?

I would like to take a look at his history and possibly invite him to join another corp :)

(post was edited to reflect possible invite)
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-17 18:31:31 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Zenvati Rxeni wrote:
Leadership was actually unaware that he had access to valuable assets. The only valuable thing he got was the vargur which was completely my fault. TBH, he left his own tower up worth about 400mil once we take it down. And he had about 800mil in payouts that will now go to buying me a new vargur. All he ended up hurting was himself.

Your point is entirely valid.

Edit: In W-space its tricky to not notify someone as generally its a courtesy to let them remove their assets, if we decided just to pod him out and steal his assets that wouldn't put us in a good light.


For the first time on a corp theft thread I'm not going to troll the OP!

I'd recommend podding him and then refunding the loss and contracting remaining assets in the future.

Zenvati Rxeni wrote:
I gain solace from the fact that for every troll there is someone who will avoid recruiting this guy now.

Actually this event looks good on his resume to most of us. It shows initiative and the ability to make the most of a bad situation. On the other hand, losing a substantial number of assets will look bad for you on future corp applications.

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Zenvati Rxeni
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2014-01-17 21:12:57 UTC
So he lost two paladins but I don't know what I'm doing? Lol, feeble attempt at trying to say something remotely intelligent. I'm not going to bother responding to any more idiotic posts. Hopefully the people that need to read this see it.
Paranoid Loyd
#14 - 2014-01-17 21:55:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
Zenvati Rxeni wrote:
So he lost two paladins but I don't know what I'm doing? Lol, feeble attempt at trying to say something remotely intelligent. I'm not going to bother responding to any more idiotic posts. Hopefully the people that need to read this see it.


Failure of a subordinate is no ones fault but the one who is responsible for managing him. That's you right?
Confirming OP doesn't know what he is doing.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Zenvati Rxeni
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2014-01-17 22:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenvati Rxeni
Reason he lost paladins --------> not listening to advice and breaking rules ---------> reason he was getting kicked in the first place


He received plenty of training in how to operate against sleepers, and had he bothered to heed warnings and follow corp rules he wouldn'tve died in the first place.
Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2014-01-17 22:25:38 UTC
So not only do you not take responsibility for your subordinates, you do not have any control over them either?

Definitely don't know what you are doing.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Zenvati Rxeni
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2014-01-17 22:43:15 UTC
You seem to think he's my subordinate... He's was a member just like me. Not sure where your misconception stems from.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#18 - 2014-01-18 17:30:38 UTC
After reading so many of these corp theft threads, I have come to the conclusion that we must have teamspeak recordings...

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Zenvati Rxeni
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2014-01-18 18:23:19 UTC
Wasn't any sort of rage, he only took like 1.2 bil worth, not something you cry about in W-Space.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#20 - 2014-01-18 19:53:21 UTC
Zenvati Rxeni wrote:
Edit: In W-space its tricky to not notify someone as generally its a courtesy to let them remove their assets, if we decided just to pod him out and steal his assets that wouldn't put us in a good light.
No reason you couldn't have locked him out of teh storage array, stuffed all his stuffs into a few giant containers, and locked him out of the hanger, too. Either that, or removed everyone *else's* property from out of reach whilst he was packing up his office and being shown the door.

Yeah, it's a bit of work, but if you're going to be courteous, then go all the way. Or just strip roles, boot him, and loot his goods. I know which route *I'd* go with someone that dim.
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