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IDEA create a solo PVP only system CCP!

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Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-24 07:13:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Meng Ren'Du
IdeaThe idea is simple.
Create a system that players can go to that will only allow you to initiate combat with one player and only if that player isn't in combat and hasn't been in combat for 5 minutes.

This will hopefully give the winner of the previous battle a chance to recover or get out of Dodge if they can't repair before they would be engaged again.

I really like the idea of fights being ship class specific. for example cruiser vs cruiser, frigate vs frigate, BS vs BS.

This could really be a fun way for players to mix is up without losing your favorite ship to a roaming gank squad.

Personal Disclosure:
I"m fairly new to the game and haven't done any intentional pvp, I'm not in a player corp yet, but I am curious to see some PVP action, without having to take someones bait cans.


In closing I would like to say that EVE is a big universe; surely there is room for just one solo pvp system.
It would also make sense that 0.0 players would have a direct jump point to it that wouldn't involve traveling Hi-Sec space.

0.0 space is expansive, but from what I hear not well populated. The Arena style system would be a great place for players to hone their combat skills and not automatically get smoked becuase someone has more friends in closer proximity.

As the saying goes more pew pew pew = more fun..

Comments Welcome.
Teh Frog
Exotic Connections
#2 - 2011-11-24 07:26:14 UTC
Meng Ren'Du wrote:
IdeaThe idea is simple.
Create a system that players can go to that will only allow you to initiate combat with one player and only if that player isn't in combat and hasn't been in combat for 5 minutes.

This will hopefully give the winner of the previous battle a chance to recover or get out of Dodge if they can't repair before they would be engaged again.

I really like the idea of fights being ship class specific. for example cruiser vs cruiser, frigate vs frigate, BS vs BS.

This could really be a fun way for players to mix is up without losing your favorite ship to a roaming gank squad.

Personal Disclosure:
I"m fairly new to the game and haven't done any intentional pvp, I'm not in a player corp yet, but I am curious to see some PVP action, without having to take someones bait cans.


In closing I would like to say that EVE is a big universe; surely there is room for just one solo pvp system.
It would also make since that 0.0 players would have a direct jump point to it that wouldn't involve traveling Hi-Sec space.

0.0 space is expansive, but from what I hear not well populated. The Arena style system would be a great place for players to hone their combat skills and not automatically get smoked becuase someone has more friends in closer proximity.

As the saying goes more pew pew pew = more fun..

Comments Welcome.


I only liked your post to give you false hope.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-11-24 07:36:22 UTC
I think your missing the point. Eve is a multiplayer game start making friends. Solo pvp isn't dead, many people do it quite successfully in frigates.

If you want something to this effect, I would suggest Red Vs. Blue. I'm not 100% sure what there rules are on 1v1's but they are a great group to learn the basics from. Good luck.

MMOs come and go, but Eve remains.  -Garresh-

Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-11-24 07:43:06 UTC
Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.


You want arena's play WoW
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-24 08:17:39 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.


You want arena's play WoW


I understand what you are saying, but we are only talking about 1 system out of how many 1,000?

IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69
Crouching Woman Hidden Cucumber
#6 - 2011-11-24 09:21:51 UTC
Meng Ren'Du wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.


You want arena's play WoW


I understand what you are saying, but we are only talking about 1 system out of how many 1,000?



7500, and the answer is still no, this goes against the very fundamentals of eve.
BlahBlahBlah McChode
Doomheim
#7 - 2011-11-24 09:47:43 UTC
not sure if serious or just trolling


i totally like your idea though bro, and we could like, have an ELO rating system that shows our rank under our name and at certain levels we could get
"Vengeful Space Gladiator" versions and then
"BRUTAL SPACE GLADIATOR XXX CAKE" versions of our ships and maybe we can enchant them to have cool glow effects and then we can all float around jita 4-4 and /spacedance
whaynethepain
#8 - 2011-11-24 10:26:38 UTC
There is a need for a 1V1 duel scenario.

Maybe deploy a gong, and the first two to hit it can fight each other to the death.

More PVP please, everywhere.

Getting you on your feet.

So you've further to fall.

Eridanii
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-24 11:39:17 UTC
Eve is not an arena deathmatch E-Peen gloating video game. And that is why I don't like this idea. You want friendly consensual PVP, Red v Blue is the closest you are going to get. You want real PVP, get out of high sec.
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-24 14:44:15 UTC
IHaveCandyGetInTheVan69 wrote:
Meng Ren'Du wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Arenas and instanced playgrounds have ruined enough otherwise enjoyable PvP games thanks.


You want arena's play WoW


I understand what you are saying, but we are only talking about 1 system out of how many 1,000?



7500, and the answer is still no, this goes against the very fundamentals of eve.


It's Eve Universe and the operative word for me is universe.

It seems to me that it would be easy to create a back story of how a strange system was found that effects communications so no grouping would be allowed.... I have other ideas to flesh out the this solo only system and I'll try to drop a idea or two in each post.

I enjoy Eve and feel like there is untapped potential for some epic 1v1 dogfighting battles.
Some of the most interesting post I've read are other players talking about 1v1 battles with an unknown foe.

With regards to your comment that the idea is against the fundamentals of eve, I disagree.
The fundamentals of eve are it's a sandbox. Devs create the world and the players decide.

Thanks to everyone that is supportive or humoring me with this idea.

FYI I am not trolling.
I will admit that I'm mostly a pve style player, but I do enjoy the danger eve represents it is quite... thrilling.
But for me the subject is not me or WoW it's bringing a new and interesting system to Eve.

Last year when I took my first stab at playing I remember a promo that talked about every player being like a diety, but it's really hard to play that out when "blob" rule all.

Perhaps the system could be called Diety System.

Comments are welcome
Othran
Route One
#11 - 2011-11-24 15:13:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
Its pointless. Want to go PvP then you don't need an arena system. Just undock and head to low-sec/npc null.

Hell we're back at October 2008 population levels, low-sec is empty (apart from FW areas), null npc is dead and most of sov null docks up when a neutral comes into system.

In short there has never been a better time to try solo PvP. The probability of being ganked away from busy routes is extremely low.

Edit - actually finding a target is likely to prove harder than killing it. No joke.
Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-11-24 15:19:58 UTC
Othran wrote:
Its pointless. Want to go PvP then you don't need an arena system. Just undock and head to low-sec/npc null.

Hell we're back at October 2008 population levels, low-sec is empty (apart from FW areas), null npc is dead and most of sov null docks up when a neutral comes into system.

In short there has never been a better time to try solo PvP. The probability of being ganked away from busy routes is extremely low.

Edit - actually finding a target is likely to prove harder than killing it. No joke.


Thanks for the comments Othran.

What you are saying matches what I've been hearing on other post.

Can I asked you a question. Do you adventure solo in 0.0 space?
If you do how many times do you find another solo player to engage versus a pack?

Can you give me a ratio 2 to 1, 5 to 1, 1 to 1 ...

Othran
Route One
#13 - 2011-11-24 15:30:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Othran
I generally don't find many solo fights with Othran. He has a fair bit of experience in flying solo and you tend to find that makes people wary. I'm not claiming he has great killboard stats (I don't even look at KMs these days) but its more likely I'd have to go for a 1 v 2.

Might not start that way but I find most people won't engage without a buddy on call. Varies a lot depending on what you fly and where/when.

I can only assume killboard stats/employment history/whatever has something to do with it as I have an alt with similar skill points and he doesn't have a problem finding a solo fight even with similar ships.

I suspect a newbie PvPer would have little difficulty finding solo fights. Winning them might be a different matter.

You said you liked the feeling of danger in Eve. That's the one thing Eve has and other major MMOs don't - any instancing will kill that feeling stone dead and then what's the point of playing Eve?
Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#14 - 2011-11-24 15:33:57 UTC
Destru Kaneda
Arzad Police Department
#15 - 2011-11-24 15:38:07 UTC
While I would love an easier (or rather quicker) way to get dogfights, I can't see how this idea could be implemented in this game in a good way. I can however see several possible executions that would be terrible.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2011-11-24 16:06:46 UTC
The arena for consensual PvP already exists, created by players as that's how EVE is meant to be played.

This arena offers 24/7 PvP for its members. Balanced fleets, hilariously unbalanced fleets, stellar FCs and fail FCs, unfair ganks, consensual 1vs1 and non-consensual 1vs1s, the arena has it all.

Join Red vs Blue and enter this arena, or create your own arena but ffs don't ask for the creators of the sandbox to ruin their creation.



.

Sevena Black
The Black Redemption
#17 - 2011-11-24 16:10:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Sevena Black
This exists already. For years actually. This is how it works:

"Hello corpmate, would you like a 1vs1 ? "

If you're in a NPC-corp you're clearly stating you DON'T want to interact too much. Thats fine. EVE is a sandbox. YOU decide what happens. That includes PVP. If you want an arena, set it up.

Small edit: I complety agree with the post above
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-11-24 16:22:46 UTC
Jettison can with 1 round of ammo in it.

Rename can to "Open Can for 1v1"

Orbit can until someone flies to it and takes your ammo.

Kill them.

Post your killboard link all over the place so we know how badass you are.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

Meng Ren'Du
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-11-24 16:23:21 UTC
Sevena Black wrote:
This exists already. For years actually. This is how it works:

"Hello corpmate, would you like a 1vs1 ? "

If you're in a NPC-corp you're clearly stating you DON'T want to interact too much. Thats fine. EVE is a sandbox. YOU decide what happens. That includes PVP. If you want an arena, set it up.

Small edit: I complety agree with the post above


I''m missing something in most of the replies I see.
Are you all saying that Eve PvP is fine the way it is?

Common are comments about 0.0 space being mostly abandoned.
Common are comments that the game is fine the way it is.
I've read comments that the Devs are looking for ideas to improve the 0.0 space participation. I'm just pitching an idea.

If the current participation of pvp is fine and working as intending and what does it hurt to add another option to a sandbox?

Are you naysayers concerned that a solo only system would become so popular that it would threaten the activity levels for the other 7,500 systems?

I'm seeing some good comments and I appreciate you all taking the time to share with me.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-11-24 16:47:26 UTC
I think what most people are saying is that there are already numerous systems in-game to provide for 1vs1 PVP.

There are various and sundry ways to "duel" people, either in-corp, in low-sec, in Red vs. Blue wardec, or by dropping a can.

There are already a zillion killboard sites that will tell you who the "Top Players" are in EVE.

All of this was designed by players for players. For this, we don't need CCP to hold our hand. The community has already done it.

Go register at Battleclinic and look at the kill boards. Read their loadouts. See who ganked who. Peruse the top 100.

Your request already exists.

PVP needs work, but 1vs1 isn't what's currently broken.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.

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