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I am afraid it is. Small gangs? Targets to disable? Avoid structure shooting?



Nullsec Empire will need to anticipate more small scale deployments and account for that in their large scale expansion plans. Long term, long distance deployments will be disrupted when small gangs can effect the industrial plans of an alliance.



For this and other comments about interceptors please check this quote:



If you can accept the basic idea that ratters should gather to defend against roaming gangs (in return for extra rewards) then the ESS needs improvement not elimination. The form of that improvement is certainly a topic for debate. Increasing timers and reducing interceptor effectiveness are being considered. I have my doubts about CCP's willingness to change the rewards, but there have been some useful suggestions there.

I accept the premise that null-sec income generators should gather together to defend against roaming gangs in return for extra rewards, but I do not accept the premise that ratters should do so. Right now, the two terms are identical (for all practical purposes), which is the problem. The whole point of farms and fields is that there are ways to generate personal income outside of ratting, which is exactly the mark that this deployable misses.

No, it's more a case of "why the **** would I bother to deploy this myself, and if someone else does it, why the **** would I bother to rat while he's in the system ready to defend it?"

I'm still not seeing a good reason why I should deploy one, and I still very much doubt it'll have any effect at all beyond the old AFK cloaker, and I'm not really seeing anyone seriously trying to convince me otherwise.

I have read (or skimmed when they were just raging) all the posts on all 67 pages. Most of them are from people concerned about their income being nerfed by 5%. That was itself enough for them to call for firing various employees. The worst among those complainers didn't read the devblog and merely repeated various mixed up rumors. The best of the complainers gave real alternative options (LP) as rewards to avoid the nerf.

Among the people explaining the disruption there have been many people complaining about interceptors (SoniClover already addressed this), many people saying that everyone will dock up (i.e. they don't want PvP despite being in Null Sec), and a few people who don't like the current setup of ESS. Recently I have seen another small group saying that PvP in Null is only about large sovereignty fights (look at CCP's stated plans).

Someone raging about how a plan is blatantly stupid and CCP should be punished is not an effective argument for me. The people just planning on docking up sound like they are not really in the spirit of Null Sec EVE. I am among the people who don't like the current ESS setup, but think that the timers or other mechanics can make this work.

Myanna's solution sounds like a good compromise. Also, I fully support the bot-murdering super spawn idea. Good stuff!

So now the thread degenerates into pvper's complaining that people (ratters) that dock up in 0.0 aren't playing in the "spirit of null sec".

Really? What a joke. What exactly is "the spirit of null sec"? I thought the point of it was play EVE like you want, how you want, as a pirate, explorer, industry mogul, etc. Or maybe I was just too caught up in their marketing BS?

You want ESS deployed by alliances then provide a huge buff to income or make SBU warfare more needed by adding buffs to bounties and so forth. Otherwise there is no reason to deploy them. I assure you I will shoot them every time I see them, regardless of who does the deployment. All they are is a beacon to the enemy which says "here's where these guys rat".

But don't sit there and complain that you want single or even at best 2-3 ratters to attack roaming gangs of 5-8 people and this module will do it. The ESS isn't going to "force" this kind of pvp and lets face it, you can lead a horse to water (0.0) but you cannot make it drink (pvp)! It's just as valid a playstyle to avoid detection, scan down sites, sell them and so forth and do what you will rather than to be somebody's target practice. And only stupid players engage when they know the odds are unlikely to be on their side.

Personally, I'd love to see some actual 0.0 pvp, but when I'm out there, I'm usually too busy avoiding the 6+ man gang of cloaky hot droppers. At what point did this become "pvp"? So an ambush is just acceptable to ratters and they should just sit there and let it happen.

Like I said, I will shoot every one of these regardless of who deploys them.

I fly a lot of ships regularly, and outside of the taranis (which I routinely use for soloing), interceptors and stealth bombers are not on the top of the list. Again, you have to spend more than 10 seconds looking at first two kills on page 1 of 110 to have any clue to my playstyle.




You're not even making sense. Herp Derp... drop an SBU so your 10 man small cruiser gang can get some PvP. Trust me, I'm not insulting your intelligence!



We're the AT team that managed to combine Tinker, Sentry drones, and Jams all in one setup! Everything we fly is cloaky, stabbed, has jammer support, logi, and links to boot. Expect no less!!!



This isk tags are a nice boon to encourage small gangs to roam about. As you are an alliance player, I fully understand why you would fight tooth an nail against this. I mean, you don't want me roaming about the space disrupting your PvE. We fully understand that since you managed to plant an TCU and IHUB you feel entitled to peaceful life within your domain. Thank God there are CCP devs who think otherwise!



What is your point? That you are butthurt about the 5% nerf to ratting income? I don't care if you cloak up when I enter system. Good for you. And I don't support nerfing nullsec income directly (at least, not without highsec income nerfs too).

The point of this device, is that you can deploy it and risk a small portion of your income with the hope you get even more isk at the end of your ratting session. The risk is that someone might roam into system and harvest that risked income before you cash out. Your not forced to deploy it, your not forced to risk your income and/or your ships to defend it. But if balanced, it is something the more entrepreneurial members of EvE will gladly utilize.

Remove all npc bountys from null and replace it with tags that can be picked up (by everyone) on a new sov. structure every hour.

OMG dude, I damn near crapped myself. have a like and some isk. ok, just kidding about the isk.

I was very sad when the nerfed Anomalies in the higher security nullsec systems. At the same point in time, I was also under the impression the game was gushing isk (Dominion is when I made my first billion isk simply by ratting). I believe that the lowest sec status systems should be the most valuable, just like the rarest moongoo should be the most valuable. I also believe that having nullsec with invested infrastructure (and maybe WH space with infrastructure) should be the creme-de-la-creme in income potential. There are ways to balance this using LP and ingame materials rather than raw isk, and I wish they would look into that. I would love to see certain classes of anomalies be "group" activities, especially with the hope a system can support 10-20 pilots (like it was touted to do so at one point in time).

The point is, there are lots of areas of game play that need a balancing pass. But that doesnt' mean this device is crap or salvageable. It's the first generation of farms and fields devices perfect for small gang objectives that we've seen, and not supporting it seems ridiculous to me!