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Adunh Slavy
#1 - 2011-11-24 13:22:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Adunh Slavy
The Great Thanksgiving Hoax

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
#2 - 2011-11-24 13:33:15 UTC
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Wilhelm Riley
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-11-24 15:57:38 UTC
You know this is only going to rile up all those anti America jerks.. or maybe that was the point..
Pulgy
Doomheim
#4 - 2011-11-24 21:30:07 UTC
Hmm turkey, i sure love my day off.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#5 - 2011-11-24 21:47:30 UTC
One thing I find amusing is that the present state of the world is blamed on both capitalism and socialism when in fact we have not seen the real versions of either model for roughly a century.


If we had real capitalism, for example, the banks would not have gotten a bailout and anybody would be able to start a business without having to overcome tons of regulations imposed by politicians who are supported with campaign money by large corporations (globalism) . There would not be any control of markets and prices, be that through price fixing or regulation.

If we have real socialism, instead of the banks getting bailed out, everybody's mortgages would have been paid off, and there would indeed be the "single payer" health care that for the most part only comprises a carrot on a stick politically.


Still, people are going to be stupid and not see through the rigged game and the lies.


Carry on, idiots. P


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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#6 - 2011-11-24 22:16:44 UTC
Wilhelm Riley wrote:
You know this is only going to rile up all those anti America jerks.. or maybe that was the point..




I am an American and I will still post something like this.Twisted

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Adunh Slavy
#7 - 2011-11-25 02:04:10 UTC
Wilhelm Riley wrote:
You know this is only going to rile up all those anti America jerks.. or maybe that was the point..



Nope, my intention is not to rattle American cages so much as socialist do-gooder cages, and if I can do it with a facts that tell the story of Hayek's Road to Serfdom with a different cast of characters and circumstances, all the better.

This more true version of thanksgiving is not often spoken about, most people want to enjoy the myth and legends. I don't have issue with that, all cultures do it, heros myth and legends are often romanticized versions of true events.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#8 - 2011-11-25 09:15:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
I´ll just throw two links in here concerning the free rider problem:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner%27s_dilemma

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons

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Pr1ncess Alia
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-25 09:46:52 UTC
If the peaceful story of Pilgrim/Indian Thanksgiving pisses you off, I have some really bad news regarding the authenticity of some other children's stories you should be aware of. Roll

Look everyone, people that can't figure out the point of the goddam Thanksgiving story. Worse yet, they aren't sure why everyone decide to leave out some key murderey starvey faminey social-engineeringey details for the sake of the children.

Surely this "Thanksgiving story" was written by time-traveling vampire Nationalsozialist Obama clones.


Honestly, the only people that take that story as an in-depth historical account are very young children that don't know better and adults too stupid to read a book and further their knowledge.

As for the people that could take the Thanksgiving story and construe it into a political argument about socialism and capitalism?.... at least children and dumb people can hope to become more knowledgeable later in life. The people like the OP and the author of the article? We should all be Thankful this holiday that we aren't as crazy as they are.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-25 12:35:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Sidus Isaacs
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
If the peaceful story of Pilgrim/Indian Thanksgiving pisses you off, I have some really bad news regarding the authenticity of some other children's stories you should be aware of. Roll

Look everyone, people that can't figure out the point of the goddam Thanksgiving story. Worse yet, they aren't sure why everyone decide to leave out some key murderey starvey faminey social-engineeringey details for the sake of the children.

Surely this "Thanksgiving story" was written by time-traveling vampire Nationalsozialist Obama clones.


Honestly, the only people that take that story as an in-depth historical account are very young children that don't know better and adults too stupid to read a book and further their knowledge.

As for the people that could take the Thanksgiving story and construe it into a political argument about socialism and capitalism?.... at least children and dumb people can hope to become more knowledgeable later in life. The people like the OP and the author of the article? We should all be Thankful this holiday that we aren't as crazy as they are.


The story in OPs post was more fun though. (and the whole "socialism vs free market" point it tried to make was equally silly)

If I ever get kids, I intend to not lie to them and make them blive in false stuff, like santa or tooth faries etc. I rather give them some real values to hold on to :)
Adunh Slavy
#11 - 2011-11-25 14:39:12 UTC
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:

As for the people that could take the Thanksgiving story and construe it into a political argument about socialism and capitalism?.... at least children and dumb people can hope to become more knowledgeable later in life. The people like the OP and the author of the article? We should all be Thankful this holiday that we aren't as crazy as they are.



Aww, did someone challenge your world view, and you had to resort to personal insults? Glad to see your type never fails to follow its form.

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt
SpaceSquirrels
#12 - 2011-11-25 17:02:23 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
If the peaceful story of Pilgrim/Indian Thanksgiving pisses you off, I have some really bad news regarding the authenticity of some other children's stories you should be aware of. Roll

Look everyone, people that can't figure out the point of the goddam Thanksgiving story. Worse yet, they aren't sure why everyone decide to leave out some key murderey starvey faminey social-engineeringey details for the sake of the children.

Surely this "Thanksgiving story" was written by time-traveling vampire Nationalsozialist Obama clones.


Honestly, the only people that take that story as an in-depth historical account are very young children that don't know better and adults too stupid to read a book and further their knowledge.

As for the people that could take the Thanksgiving story and construe it into a political argument about socialism and capitalism?.... at least children and dumb people can hope to become more knowledgeable later in life. The people like the OP and the author of the article? We should all be Thankful this holiday that we aren't as crazy as they are.


The story in OPs post was more fun though. (and the whole "socialism vs free market" point it tried to make was equally silly)

If I ever get kids, I intend to not lie to them and make them blive in false stuff, like santa or tooth faries etc. I rather give them some real values to hold on to :)


Lol those kids grow up being jaded little douche bags with no sense of humor or activity because they're told "The truth" so young, and their parents dont let them have fun. I'd say it's more important to allow ones kids to figure things out for themselves as they grow up. Also helps children deal with let down and disappointment.

How many adults today are still angry running around cause Santa isnt real? But for all of 8-10 years when you as a parent play Santa or tooth fairy it makes them very happy.

Seem like another form of childhood insulation/protection under the "intellectual" rationalization of "it's make believe so it must be bad for a child". **** that! Let em figure it out on their own or else they'll always be sucking on their parents tit.
Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-11-25 19:27:38 UTC
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
If the peaceful story of Pilgrim/Indian Thanksgiving pisses you off, I have some really bad news regarding the authenticity of some other children's stories you should be aware of. Roll

Look everyone, people that can't figure out the point of the goddam Thanksgiving story. Worse yet, they aren't sure why everyone decide to leave out some key murderey starvey faminey social-engineeringey details for the sake of the children.

Surely this "Thanksgiving story" was written by time-traveling vampire Nationalsozialist Obama clones.


Honestly, the only people that take that story as an in-depth historical account are very young children that don't know better and adults too stupid to read a book and further their knowledge.

As for the people that could take the Thanksgiving story and construe it into a political argument about socialism and capitalism?.... at least children and dumb people can hope to become more knowledgeable later in life. The people like the OP and the author of the article? We should all be Thankful this holiday that we aren't as crazy as they are.


The story in OPs post was more fun though. (and the whole "socialism vs free market" point it tried to make was equally silly)

If I ever get kids, I intend to not lie to them and make them blive in false stuff, like santa or tooth faries etc. I rather give them some real values to hold on to :)


Lol those kids grow up being jaded little douche bags with no sense of humor or activity because they're told "The truth" so young, and their parents dont let them have fun. I'd say it's more important to allow ones kids to figure things out for themselves as they grow up. Also helps children deal with let down and disappointment.

How many adults today are still angry running around cause Santa isnt real? But for all of 8-10 years when you as a parent play Santa or tooth fairy it makes them very happy.

Seem like another form of childhood insulation/protection under the "intellectual" rationalization of "it's make believe so it must be bad for a child". **** that! Let em figure it out on their own or else they'll always be sucking on their parents tit.


That is the dumbest thing I ever read. How you got "not telling kids Santa is real" to "not allowing kids to have fun, and over protecting them" is beyond me. Quite frankly I find it absurd.And what is so good about the story of Santa anyways? "be nice, or no presents for you!" Tricking kids to be nice so they will not be punished by not getting material gifts.

Stimulating a kids imagination can be done in many ways without having to fabricate stories and convince them it is real. Just because we got treated to Santa as kids does not mean it is the only good way to raise a kid you know. Plenty of mysteries out there without having to make up our own.

Plenty of fun for kids to have without throwing tones of worthless toys at them as well.

Seriously, if you, or kids, lack that much imagination, a little story about Santa would not help them in the slightest.
Selinate
#14 - 2011-11-25 19:50:52 UTC
what part of me eating turkey to the point where I feel bad about myself has anything to do with a capitalist/socialist debate....

Oh wait...
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2011-11-25 22:26:20 UTC
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SpaceSquirrels
#16 - 2011-11-25 23:43:58 UTC
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
SpaceSquirrels wrote:
Sidus Isaacs wrote:
Pr1ncess Alia wrote:
If the peaceful story of Pilgrim/Indian Thanksgiving pisses you off, I have some really bad news regarding the authenticity of some other children's stories you should be aware of. Roll

Look everyone, people that can't figure out the point of the goddam Thanksgiving story. Worse yet, they aren't sure why everyone decide to leave out some key murderey starvey faminey social-engineeringey details for the sake of the children.

Surely this "Thanksgiving story" was written by time-traveling vampire Nationalsozialist Obama clones.


Honestly, the only people that take that story as an in-depth historical account are very young children that don't know better and adults too stupid to read a book and further their knowledge.

As for the people that could take the Thanksgiving story and construe it into a political argument about socialism and capitalism?.... at least children and dumb people can hope to become more knowledgeable later in life. The people like the OP and the author of the article? We should all be Thankful this holiday that we aren't as crazy as they are.


The story in OPs post was more fun though. (and the whole "socialism vs free market" point it tried to make was equally silly)

If I ever get kids, I intend to not lie to them and make them blive in false stuff, like santa or tooth faries etc. I rather give them some real values to hold on to :)


Lol those kids grow up being jaded little douche bags with no sense of humor or activity because they're told "The truth" so young, and their parents dont let them have fun. I'd say it's more important to allow ones kids to figure things out for themselves as they grow up. Also helps children deal with let down and disappointment.

How many adults today are still angry running around cause Santa isnt real? But for all of 8-10 years when you as a parent play Santa or tooth fairy it makes them very happy.

Seem like another form of childhood insulation/protection under the "intellectual" rationalization of "it's make believe so it must be bad for a child". **** that! Let em figure it out on their own or else they'll always be sucking on their parents tit.


That is the dumbest thing I ever read. How you got "not telling kids Santa is real" to "not allowing kids to have fun, and over protecting them" is beyond me. Quite frankly I find it absurd.And what is so good about the story of Santa anyways? "be nice, or no presents for you!" Tricking kids to be nice so they will not be punished by not getting material gifts.

Stimulating a kids imagination can be done in many ways without having to fabricate stories and convince them it is real. Just because we got treated to Santa as kids does not mean it is the only good way to raise a kid you know. Plenty of mysteries out there without having to make up our own.

Plenty of fun for kids to have without throwing tones of worthless toys at them as well.

Seriously, if you, or kids, lack that much imagination, a little story about Santa would not help them in the slightest.



Not about moral equivocation or bribing your children to "Do good for presents." Although let's be fair positive reinforcement is quite effective. Hell adults need incentive to really work as well. Nor does taking part in Santa or like mean a person is devoid of their own imagination or stagnate their children's own creativity. (Rather an arrogant narrow minded view to believe as such) Furthermore there are toys that require intellect and creativity it to play with. It's just something fun to look forward to once a year. Are you telling me you never got excited as child for certain holidays?

I'm not religious but I had fun decorating Easter eggs, or putting up Christmas lights. I'm fairly sure I had fund making ****** hand turkeys as a child as well. (It was awhile ago). One thing to not be into holidays another to flat out deprive a child of an activity over ideology. I can safely assure you kids parents that flat out deny their children participation in generic holiday activities are extremely sad sitting in the corner by themselves watching all the other kids have a good time.

A good parent would allow for such activities and then instill their own perspective values at the same time. Like I said better to let children figure things out on their own growing up then jamming "meaning" down their throats before the age of 10.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#17 - 2011-11-26 06:09:54 UTC
This thread is now about how to raise kids. P

Shut up and let them play EvE. They'll learn more about how to make it in RL than K-12 in Publik Skool.

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Feilamya
#18 - 2011-11-26 13:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Feilamya
Thanksgiving is a European tradition that was imported to America by European settlers. It has nothing to do with pilgrims, indians, communists or |\|azi conspiracy theories.