EVE General Discussion

1) Yup

2) Usually, the complainers have been flying something with the manueverability of a dead slug and not a sensible ship for solo/small gang mining.

Somewhat risky in that, most bumpers belonging to the clownfleet will simply gank you if they can't annoy you enough with bumping and repeated extortion.

That tactic would likely only work once. Then they would just start bumping and then bring in the gank fleet while you were in logout timer.

The miner (who wants to preserve their security rating) has basically little to no recourse, aside from leaving the system and then leaving the next. You have to then submit a ticket for griefing if they followed you to multiple places. You can't shoot the bumper, without loss of security rating and concorde intervention.

My response to anyone that can keep me bumped after I've clicked warp until downtime: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euI3v2jpTlI


Is it possible to gank in the way you've described (fly to belt, find & lock target, pewpew)? Yes, it could happen. Does it? Moreover, does it happen often, as you claim? No.

That (admittedly poorly presented) wall of instruction wasn't a whine. That's standard procedure for a regular miner gank when flying in a fleet. Even when ganking solo, it's strongly recommended that you use two accounts (one to scout, one to gank) and ideally, use three (to loot "safely"). The fact you claim that ganking can be done effectively not only from a single account, but from a single character is absurd.

Scouts are used to quickly find potential targets. It is essential to know what modules they have fitted, particularly as a solo ganker. You cannot quickly gather this information using one character exlusively. It is significantly faster to warp to a waiting scout than to dock up, contract a bookmark to your alt, logoff, log back in as the gank alt, collect the bookmark, add it to P&P, then warp to it.

Prepulling is a necessary step, even in 0.5 systems. The time difference between a spawning CONCORD and a "moving" CONCORD is six seconds, enough for ~4500 damage for a single skilled toon. This does make a difference. It's the difference between killing an untanked mackinaw and hilarious, shameful failure.

Gankers need to use instawarps to prevent vultures killing them at station. They warp right on top their target because the gankalyst's effective range sucks (little more than ~2km) and remaining on grid presents two problems. The first being enemy players (vultures) and the second being the faction police that spawn and kill you if you remain in one location too long. They don't usually bother clearing their criminal status as it's an additional expense that doesn't deal with the issue of vultures - who may still have access to kill rights that the gankers cannot clear, themselves.

Gankers must warp their pods from the scene of the crime/judgement ASAP to avoid retaliation from vultures and white knights.

I don't know why you don't appear to think any of these things aren't necessary as a ganker. You've claimed you've ganked before, but the fact you're denying the importance of key factors within the ganking process leads me to believe you're lying or simply don't want to admit you were wrong.


Did I? Where did I imply that ganking was hard?

Was it here? "Ganking isn't hard. It's pretty much the easiest form of PvP IMO. It is however, significantly harder than mining." - https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4087045#post4087045

Maybe not. Maybe I was just being difficult.

Nope, they can continue to bump you out of your ewarp, so you'll not disappear even once logged off, so you log back in and you are still being bumped.
And it's not that hard to keep a miner bumped, they suck at manoeuvrability and you can bump them with a tiny ship. Sure, if you want to bump them miles with every hit it takes a run up, but to keep a miner out of alignment once you've moved them off of a rock its simple.

Of course new order guys will come along saying how hard it is as they want to preserve their OP tactic that has no counter.

I already explained to you, very thoroughly I might add, that it has a counter.

But if you're asking for perfect safety like it sure seems you're asking for, then you're out of luck. Not to mention playing the wrong game.

You know, the shout out to your mom kinda makes me wonder about someone I ganked once who told me that they were an old lady playing Eve from a nursing home...

It wouldn't surprise me if that were true, I was in a corp, on another character, that was led by a lady claiming to be in her late 60's, she had a mouth on her that would make a drill instructor blush and was an absolute riot to fly with.