EVE General Discussion

So if i train guns for many months, and dedicate 8 high slots for shooting people, surely i should be able to take out one ship? and they should be greatful that i can only take out one, maybe two at a time. Logic, you suck at it.

That is simply not true. The human brain outperforms any computer. Why do you think it is so difficult to mak a robot that can interpret the environment through senses like hearing and vision to gain situational awareness? That is something any human does very well compared to a computer and it incorporates huge amounts of data and advanced calculations.

The human brain though, is not good at randomness. It has been evolutionary shaped to look for patterns and will find them even when there are none.

well to start with you have to find the cause why there is randomness at the first place..

there is randomness to compensate accurate physics. And eve has *oversimplified* physics everywhere. Even the tracking formula is so simple that is causes problems (why do ships orbiting a not moving webbed ship need to track at all for example? Yeah a proper tracking formula *could* fix blasters).

another example
wrecking hits
why do we have them? Because some hits should hurt more as others. The reason for that is that every ship has week points. However to properly get rid of the wrecking hit randomness eve would have to catch up with physics and introduce hit zones. (example: if you hit the engines from behind it will hurt more as from front). Since every ship is a point on the server this would be a long way to go but it could also fix the submarine physics while going this route.

back to ECM. ECM in eve is binary. ether you have the lock or not. Almost nothing in real life is binary. Introducing some kind of "lock quality" could help here out. But since tracking distributors and ECM would be in real life the same thing its quite hard to find some unique mechanics for ECM.

You can resolve or at least mitigate this without resorting to actual randomness, though - you just need to ensure that there are enough variables in your equation that any reasonably close fight could go either way, based on the specific details of the starting situation (fitting etc) and the actions taken by players during the engagement. I don't know whether or not this is the case with EVE, but it seems theoretically sound.



Sure - one of the major advantages of randomness is it lets you simulate certain things cheaply (ie, without running a copy of the entire universe). The question is whether that "realism" is more or less important to you than the overall competitiveness of the game.

Well, if CCP keeps iterating on the game like they are doing now, This "copy the magic ship fit" issue of yours will be mitigated. Personally, If a person takes the time to meta game and finds that you fly that falcon on every damn sortie, then he should have the ability to reward you with an express route to station.

Riot removed features that were "anti-fun" until what was left was pretty bland and no longer fun.

Wouldn't like to see CCP take that route.

Not saying ECM could not due with some tweaks, I am too new at EVE to have any serious game mechanics input but I see the issue in a different light.

As far as I see it, EVE (ship fitting) is a game of chess.

Person A specs their ship for a specific task and goes up against person B who has spec’d some other ship for a specific task.
Now if both players happen to spec for basically the same task and are similar ships then a tight fight will ensue.

If there is a considerable disparity in specs; eg. ECM or webs/warp disrupt vs a mission runner spec) then its a more one sided affair and one player has to hope they can run before they lose that ship.

So your opponent turned up in a highly specialised (as far as I see it more than any other standard ship) ECM ship and your throwing your toys out of the pram because they beat you at the spec game that round then unfortunately for you its possibly dead ship time.

But equally you could equip a Passive Targeter or ECCM as standard by reducing the max firepower / tackle set up you are possibly running in order to help counter such a situation.

And while yes there are "optimum" fits for specific ships for specific tasks, should you end up engaging somebody who’s ship and fit out optimises yours then its tough. Should they run a sub optimal fit but cover more bases and even if they cannot kill you, cause both sides to retire then that just happens to be the outcome rather than a dead ship.

You either say the ECM ship should only be used in fleet actions and therefore is marginalized or you make it capable of performing more directly in a pvp role because its strength is jamming you while it possibly meters out its meagre damage compared to a tackling high DPS ship. Should its ECM TANK fail then its in big trouble.

Just part of the way I see it.

I have never on any of my characters had caldari cruiser 5


YES falcons were OP a couple of years ago.

NO they are not OP now





Seriously were are all you guys flying? I hardly even see falcons, Scorpions are far better most of the time as at least they have some staying power. If you don't like ECM stop flying logistics ships and chances are you will hardly ever encounter it.

1 apoc with some ECCM will pop falcons beore they can even warp


ECM is not overpowered it is a valid tactic without which RR gangs would be far more difficult to crack.

ECM is fine.

Blasphemy!!!1!!