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Trouble finding a corp/alliance when you are a freeman (one for the GD forums)
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2011-11-24 15:12:13 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
As someone so elequently incorrectly put it a few days ago there are different types of players in this game.
The problem is that he got it all wrong. There are people who want to play co-operatively and there are people who don't.

Oh, and paying taxes doesn't make you any less free. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#22 - 2011-11-24 15:14:23 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
So are you saying that people pay 10% because someone else set up an alliance and you are joining it?


didn't you say earlier that organizing alliance is "a huge investment of time and logistics"? well..




Getting down there and establishing yourself. Are you also following the theory that people who want to join should have 10% for all the work that was done before they arrived and

99% more DPS means that i kill faster than most so i would pay far more isk than a drake ratter
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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#23 - 2011-11-24 15:17:31 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
As someone so elequently incorrectly put it a few days ago there are different types of players in this game.
The problem is that he got it all wrong. There are people who want to play co-operatively and there are people who don't.

Oh, and paying taxes doesn't make you any less free. Quite the opposite, in fact.



You really need to explain this fully, "Paying taxes makes you more free"


This thread is full of profund sayings and no one bothering to explain them so why dont you show me exactly what you mean

I need to hear this Serf mentality explained. Are you a CEO perchance
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2011-11-24 15:22:35 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
You really need to explain this fully, "Paying taxes makes you more free"
Paying taxes means you have one less thing (or more) to worry about and can more easily and freely direct your attention to where it matters.
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I need to hear this Serf mentality explained.
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.
Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#25 - 2011-11-24 15:24:31 UTC
OP,

If more peeps like you come out say up front what you have stated, would make my job much easier to recruit.

I would just pass you right over because you are nothing more than a leach and have absolutely nothing to contribute.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#26 - 2011-11-24 15:25:34 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
You really need to explain this fully, "Paying taxes makes you more free"
Paying taxes means you have one less thing (or more) to worry about and can more easily and freely direct your attention to where it matters.
Quote:
I need to hear this Serf mentality explained.
You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.



Tippia sorry to keep asking but

"Paying taxes means you have one less thing (or more) to worry about and can more easily and freely direct your attention to where it matters"


this means nothing. I pay taxes so i dont have to worry about paying taxes.

please explain it to me as i really need to know and its starting to sound like Cognitive D
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Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#27 - 2011-11-24 15:27:20 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
OP,

If more peeps like you come out say up front what you have stated, would make my job much easier to recruit.

I would just pass you right over because you are nothing more than a leach and have absolutely nothing to contribute.



Care to tell me how i am leaching

I would defend your space i would pay for my own ships i would provide security on your mining ops. I would escort your convoys.


So please tell me what im missing as you would not have to pay a single thing for me
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Nex apparatu5
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2011-11-24 15:27:22 UTC
So everyone who is in a nullsec corp is a serf? You do realize tax only effects people who are ratters, right?
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2011-11-24 15:27:51 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
...
As a Free man i pay no tax and i am free to do as i please. But all of the corps or alliances i look at all want my hard earned Isk. All i ever see in highsec is "mission runners wanted" and then after some checking a 10% tax rate is offered for no discernable reason. And it is like this regardless of what kind of corp you want to join.
....
So the question is where can i find a nullsec corp of self sufficient people who will not need to take my hard earned isk for some pretty pointless reason.
....

do you understand what is the corporation in Eve? Have you even tried to learn what you need to make a corp and settle into 0.0 space?

You want to be "free" and at the same time you want someone to babysitting you: organize corp, rent a office, put a POS, take sovereignty and pay for it, defend space to your ISK farming?

grow a little

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-11-24 15:28:26 UTC
IRL paying taxes means I don't have to worry about if the roads are going to go all the way to where I work. I don't have to worry too much about bandits robbing me as I go there. I don't have to worry (too much) about my house burning down while I'm gone without someone at least trying to put it out. And so on, and so forth. I am "more free" because of these things.

I get an awful lot of value out of a pretty small amount of taxes because lots of other people pay them too.

In EVE, I'd imagine a lot of null-sec taxes go to paying for jump-bridge networks, SOV upgrades, POSes for whatever you want, ship replacement programs to ensure defended border, etc, etc.

In other words, if craploads of people put in a little bit they can each get more value than if each of them individually tried to do it alone.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#31 - 2011-11-24 15:29:46 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
...
As a Free man i pay no tax and i am free to do as i please. But all of the corps or alliances i look at all want my hard earned Isk. All i ever see in highsec is "mission runners wanted" and then after some checking a 10% tax rate is offered for no discernable reason. And it is like this regardless of what kind of corp you want to join.
....
So the question is where can i find a nullsec corp of self sufficient people who will not need to take my hard earned isk for some pretty pointless reason.
....

do you understand what is the corporation in Eve? Have you even tried to learn what you need to make a corp and settle into 0.0 space?

You want to be "free" and at the same time you want someone to babysitting you: organize corp, rent a office, put a POS, take sovereignty and pay for it, defend space to your ISK farming?

grow a little



Dude did you read what i said about SOV. i know that has to be paid for
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2011-11-24 15:30:49 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
I pay taxes so i dont have to worry about paying taxes.
Huh? You're not making any sense.
What's your question?

What I wrote means what I wrote: paying taxes (which, btw, freemen still do, being peasants and all) means you can free yourself from certain worries that you would otherwise have to deal with. This gives you the freedom to put your full attention where you want it.
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#33 - 2011-11-24 15:33:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
I pay taxes so i dont have to worry about paying taxes.
Huh? You're not making any sense.
What's your question?

What I wrote means what I wrote: paying taxes (which, btw, freemen still do, being peasants and all) means you can free yourself from certain worries that you would otherwise have to deal with. This gives you the freedom to put your full attention where you want it.



Can you tell me what these worries are please
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#34 - 2011-11-24 15:36:15 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Can you tell me what these worries are please
They are what you want them to be. That's the whole point. You're free to choose. You're no longer just a peasant.

Go join a corp and find yours.
Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#35 - 2011-11-24 15:38:03 UTC
Karn Dulake wrote:
Baaldor wrote:
OP,

If more peeps like you come out say up front what you have stated, would make my job much easier to recruit.

I would just pass you right over because you are nothing more than a leach and have absolutely nothing to contribute.



Care to tell me how i am leaching

I would defend your space i would pay for my own ships i would provide security on your mining ops. I would escort your convoys.


So please tell me what im missing as you would not have to pay a single thing for me


First off everyone of the recruits I had to deal with for the last 5 years in null sec / lo sec that has this attitude have never contributed in any way that had any meaning to the growth or stability to the group.

The ship reimbursement programs always out paid there total monthly contribution of a 20% jew tax we had at the time. It rewarded the folks that actually participated and the ones that wanted to run plexes paid for the ones that actually contributed.

Taxes are just a function that allows corps and alliances to have nice things. This benefits all the members. Some of us do not have moon goo or other isk printing machines for us to roll around in.
Pinaculus
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2011-11-24 15:40:42 UTC
Oh, the "Mission Runners Wanted." That means, "Please come pay for our PVP exploits."

You're being melodramatic by framing this as a Freemen vs. Serfs struggle. It's Good Corps vs. Crap Corps.

Avoid Crappy Corps and you will be happier.

I know sometimes it's difficult to realize just how much you spend on incidental things each month or year, but seriously, EVE is very cheap entertainment compared to most things... If you are a smoker, smoke one less pack a week and pay for EVE, with money left over to pick up a cheap bundle of flowers for the EVE widow upstairs.
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#37 - 2011-11-24 15:45:40 UTC
Really with the ease you can make isk in EVE, is it that troublesome to give away a lowly 10% *if* that gets you lots of fun in return?

If you're in a good corp you won't even notice it.
If you're in a bad on the other hand..... Smile


TL;DR: find your self a good corp.
Embrace My Hate
Bitmap Brothers
#38 - 2011-11-24 15:49:13 UTC
To OP,

I feel as though none of your concerns can be addressed by individuals who have lead null-sec corps and alliances. It is hard to explain every single nuance to somebody who just doesn't 'get it'.

Anything short of you actually leading a corp and alliance of like minded individuals into null-sec and holding SOV will not teach you the eccentricities involved.



TL;DR OP's post is pointless and he should just go experience it first hand.
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2011-11-24 15:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
@OP

Be ready to answer a few essay questions on "objectivism" and join TTI.

sounds pretty much like what you are looking for (and is one of the oldest active corporations in EVE, kinda hard to miss).
Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#40 - 2011-11-24 15:57:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Karn Dulake wrote:
Can you tell me what these worries are please
They are what you want them to be. That's the whole point. You're free to choose. You're no longer just a peasant.

Go join a corp and find yours.



Tippia you truly have said nothing of any relevence.


"
you pay taxes so you dont have to worry about paying taxes.

what are these worries?

Whatever you want them to be"


Please dont contribute anymore as your pointless posts are worthless
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.