Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I have read and you have not given any factual answers to the questions I have asked.

So stop using avoiding tactics, such as the trolling and school references and answer the questions.

Mainly defensive cloaking. Be it in 0.0, LS, or WH's

I have had occasions where i was camped in a system, in a non-covert ship with a standard cloak. Due to circumstances I could not leave, nor could I safely log out (combat probes all around). My only recourse was an extended cloak and wait for them to get bored and move on.

Once in a WH this ended up being close to 3 hours. Having to play your captcha game would have been utter BS.

You wanna live and farm in 0.0, HTFU.

AFK cloaking whine thread #82737645632672361


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It sounds like that is the exact point of COVERT. So I fail to see the problem. The whole point of being cloaked is so you can't see what they are doing.

And there are balance things.

1. With the exception of Stealth Bombers, All ships have a lock penalty after decloaking. If you are aligned in most cases you should be gone before you get locked. Stealth bombers are squishy and should die fast enough again to get out in most cases.

2. While cloaked a ship cannot use any of their modules. They cant repair, target, launch probes etc.

I'm sure others can come up with even more.

One of you don't want to die and probably hunt somebody. But for those who hunting you, your cloaking is annoing and close to be exploit.

As per below: something given benefit without activity(you are alive since you AFK and living IRL, since ingame people try to catch you) - can be count exploit or broken game mechanics.

Those who want to scout in 10th window - it is your problem, leave it or die trying. Same with "solo bonuses" on spot in cloak. You use it - must take your time/attention, otherwise invite real man on bonus ship. Same for scout ships - less window, more real players.

Any other point of view?

Who can argue against
Cloak gives benefit without activity(AFK cloak) - broken game mechanics

Please demonstrate the benefit.

Do not bother claiming the perception of benefit, but the real ISK value gained to the specific character directly, while cloaked.

If all you can point at is a disruption of other's behavior, you are implying that benefit can be obtained despite obvious degrees of separation.

What next? A butterfly in Jita flaps it's wings, and a fleet in 5ZXX gets wiped out?

Connections on this level do not equate as proof, despite how they may be inconvenient to you.

lol, how dumb do you have to be to come up with stupid crap like this?

You make me laugh. Ok, I'll bite.

1) All people doing PI

2) All people manufacturing

3) All people doing moon reactions


Now, you might argue that these people, taking PI as an example, did something to set up the PI and did something after getting the benefit but they sure as hell didn't do anything whilst the process of benefit took place.

The same can be said of AFK cloakers. They put effort into getting into position then go away and leave the process to run (the process being pissing you off or whatever their aim is) and then when they've finished they put effort into going home.

The process is the same with AFK cloaking as it is with other things in the game.

You're just pissed off because you either can't or refuse to think around the problem so you come to the forums to try to force your will on the game and the rest of the community.

There's plenty of similar things in the game. Just because you don't like it doesn't make it a broken game mechanic.

EDIT - As Nik points out, AFK cloaking doesn't actually give you any isk benefit where as some of the other AFK actions you can make in the game do so really it's less than those in usefulness.

So here's a general question for all of the people who don't like AFK cloaking.

We have had a multitude of threads on the subject. And a similar multitude of potential fixes. Minigames, Cloak fuel, POS modules, special probes, to list just a few.

There is one VERY SUPER SIMPLE FIX. That would be an AFK icon in local. I'd bet it would be easy to implement by CCP. We already have icons that go there. Red ones, blue ones, flashy yellow ones, you get the idea. So I imagine an afk one for anyone who hasn't touched the computer in a certain time period wouldn't be to hard right?

So after all these years. All these threads. We have not EVER heard CCP even hint at implementing such a simple fix. Why do you think that is? I would venture to guess because CCP considers it as a non-issue.


So if CCP is unlikely to ever implement such a simple fix described above, why do you ever think they are gonna go for any of these crazy off the wall convoluted solutions?

That may not bad idea and would be easy to implement, BUT that would destroy all the cloaking used for surveillance/counter-surveillance. Not to mention the fact that it could be avoided by someone spinning their view or setting their ship to orbit something at range.

It would just create another mechanic to do the work for the scared and lazy.

CAPTCHA in EVE? OP needs to biomass.