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Angelica Dreamstar
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#541 - 2014-01-16 15:54:07 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I hadn't thought about it that way Oops, you'd be pouring money into Apples pockets with a firkin bathtub though.



There's no accounting for taste.

Apple make money out of the mentally ill constantly as it is anyway.
The NSA calls them zombies for a reason.

bingo, his pig not being a goat doesn't make the pig wrong, just him an idiot for shouting at his pig "WHY ARENT YOU A GOAT!" (Source)

-- Ralph King-Griffin, about deranged people playing EVE ONLINE
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#542 - 2014-01-16 15:54:11 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


There's no accounting for taste.

Apple make money out of the mentally ill and fashion victims constantly as it is anyway.

FTFY

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#543 - 2014-01-16 15:54:59 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:


There's no accounting for taste.

Apple make money out of the mentally ill and fashion victims constantly as it is anyway.

FTFY


What makes them two seperate problems?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#544 - 2014-01-16 16:11:41 UTC
^^ You can treat mental illness P

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#545 - 2014-01-16 16:13:16 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
^^ You can treat mental illness P


And bad clothes are..permanently attached?

WAT

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#546 - 2014-01-16 16:21:45 UTC
LOL bad clothes can be burnt, bad taste on the other hand is for life.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#547 - 2014-01-16 16:29:59 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
LOL bad clothes can be burnt, bad taste on the other hand is for life.


So... how does burning them while still on the target not cure fashion victim-itis?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#548 - 2014-01-16 16:30:45 UTC
Mag's wrote:
So are you saying it's the bumpers fault, that someone allowed themselves to be bumped for hours on end?
No, I'm saying there is no option to stop yourself getting bumped once the bumping has begun. If the bumper does not choose to stop, they can continue bumping you until downtime. Player with a single account then have the options of eject from their ship, or stop playing EVE.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#549 - 2014-01-16 16:36:01 UTC
Angelica Dreamstar wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

I hadn't thought about it that way Oops, you'd be pouring money into Apples pockets with a firkin bathtub though.



There's no accounting for taste.

Apple make money out of the mentally ill constantly as it is anyway.
The NSA calls them zombies for a reason.


Idk, that term for Macintossers has been around for at least 15 years that I know of. I doubt it predates the NSA itself, but it certainly does the current climate there.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#550 - 2014-01-16 16:37:45 UTC
Hitamino wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So are you saying it's the bumpers fault, that someone allowed themselves to be bumped for hours on end?
No, I'm saying there is no option to stop yourself getting bumped once the bumping has begun. If the bumper does not choose to stop, they can continue bumping you until downtime. Player with a single account then have the options of eject from their ship, or stop playing EVE.


You need to train Spaceship Operation to 1

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#551 - 2014-01-16 16:38:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Hitamino
Ekkentros Mercari wrote:
Hitamino wrote:
]Sure, if you grossly exaggerate what you have to do for ganking, then it's hard to do.

It's not an exaggeration. That was a brief breakdown of how to gank a single miner. Yes, that was brief. Is any of it hard? No. Is it harder, riskier and requires more game knowledge than mining? Yes. That is what we were arguing about, not ganking being hard, just ganking being harder than mining.
Bull****. What you quoted was a complex multi-player gank. A solo gank can often be performed in an unprepared system with a single character. You choosing to highlight a complex gank and compare it to mining in general is a pretty unfair comparison. Compare it to a complex mining fleet and suddenly it doesn;t look so tough.

Ekkentros Mercari wrote:
I didn't say it was hard. Go on. Quote one of my posts where I say "ganking is hard".
You implied, and you know you did. you are just being difficult because you are having a little rage fit. Why not stop posting until you've calmed a little, eh sunshine.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#552 - 2014-01-16 16:39:15 UTC
Hitamino wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So are you saying it's the bumpers fault, that someone allowed themselves to be bumped for hours on end?
No, I'm saying there is no option to stop yourself getting bumped once the bumping has begun. If the bumper does not choose to stop, they can continue bumping you until downtime. Player with a single account then have the options of eject from their ship, or stop playing EVE.


There are plenty of ways.

You know, kill them. If you are being bumped for, as you put it, "until downtime", then it's time enough to cross half the galaxy to get there in a catalyst and gank the guy bumping you.

Hell, you can't tell me you don't have friends.

You can also double web your freighter for much much faster align times in the first place, so you will rarely get bumped.

I've personally never seen a freighter with an escort get ganked.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#553 - 2014-01-16 16:44:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Hitamino wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So are you saying it's the bumpers fault, that someone allowed themselves to be bumped for hours on end?
No, I'm saying there is no option to stop yourself getting bumped once the bumping has begun. If the bumper does not choose to stop, they can continue bumping you until downtime. Player with a single account then have the options of eject from their ship, or stop playing EVE.


There are plenty of ways.

You know, kill them. If you are being bumped for, as you put it, "until downtime", then it's time enough to cross half the galaxy to get there in a catalyst and gank the guy bumping you.

Hell, you can't tell me you don't have friends.

You can also double web your freighter for much much faster align times in the first place, so you will rarely get bumped.

I've personally never seen a freighter with an escort get ganked.
I'm telling you some people don't. Some people are new, and don;t have alts and friends to do their bidding. That's why I white knight, because I think that they should have support, and if the game is going to balance everything in favour of the dickhead that wants to ruin the game for people with a random alt while he scams in Jita, then I have to step in and do what I can to stop it.

I've seen new order guys bumping nubs until they quit, and they are given no forewarning that they can have that done to them and there's nothing they can do to get out of it. That's just not right.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#554 - 2014-01-16 16:50:46 UTC
Hitamino wrote:
I'm telling you some people don't. Some people are new, and don;t have alts and friends to do their bidding. That's why I white knight, because I think that they should have support, and if the game is going to balance everything in favour of the dickhead that wants to ruin the game for people with a random alt while he scams in Jita, then I have to step in and do what I can to stop it.

I've seen new order guys bumping nubs until they quit, and they are given no forewarning that they can have that done to them and there's nothing they can do to get out of it. That's just not right.


The same people don't take proper care of their Freighters are about the same as miners who don't fit tanks.

There is something to do to reduce your risk immensely. If you don't do it, you have given consent to your destruction to anyone who happens along and cares to do something about it.

"some people are new"?

Not anyone with enough skillpoints to fly a Freighter, no.

And everyone has friends. If you've been playing the game for long enough to fly a Freighter, and you don't know anyone who might strap into a cat and come help you, then while you may have my pity, you're certainly nothing the game should be balanced around.

The point is that there are counters. That's it, they exist, the end.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Hitamino
Perkone
Caldari State
#555 - 2014-01-16 16:57:51 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Hitamino wrote:
I'm telling you some people don't. Some people are new, and don;t have alts and friends to do their bidding. That's why I white knight, because I think that they should have support, and if the game is going to balance everything in favour of the dickhead that wants to ruin the game for people with a random alt while he scams in Jita, then I have to step in and do what I can to stop it.

I've seen new order guys bumping nubs until they quit, and they are given no forewarning that they can have that done to them and there's nothing they can do to get out of it. That's just not right.
The same people don't take proper care of their Freighters are about the same as miners who don't fit tanks.

There is something to do to reduce your risk immensely. If you don't do it, you have given consent to your destruction to anyone who happens along and cares to do something about it.

"some people are new"?

Not anyone with enough skillpoints to fly a Freighter, no.

And everyone has friends. If you've been playing the game for long enough to fly a Freighter, and you don't know anyone who might strap into a cat and come help you, then while you may have my pity, you're certainly nothing the game should be balanced around.

The point is that there are counters. That's it, they exist, the end.
Why are you just talking about freighters? This is about miners getting bumped. It's in the OP and everything.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#556 - 2014-01-16 17:16:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
Hitamino wrote:
I'm telling you some people don't. Some people are new, and don;t have alts and friends to do their bidding. That's why I white knight, because I think that they should have support, and if the game is going to balance everything in favour of the dickhead that wants to ruin the game for people with a random alt while he scams in Jita, then I have to step in and do what I can to stop it.
Bullshit, you white knight because you don't know any better and it makes you feel like you have the moral high ground and are thus better than the rest of us, you're not btw. There are counters to bumping, just as there are counters to everything else in this game, paying attention and purchasing a permit are the least of them.

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I've seen new order guys bumping nubs until they quit, and they are given no forewarning that they can have that done to them and there's nothing they can do to get out of it. That's just not right.
No you haven't, the NO guys go for barges and exhumers, if you're flying one of those, you're not a newbie, although you can be considered a noob. Learn the difference between newbie and noob, the distinction is fairly clear, newbies ask "How do you ...?" because they don't know and want to learn, while noobs ask "Can you give me ...?" because they can't be bothered and want everything, including safety, handed to them on a plate. You seem to fall into the latter category.

You're not given forewarning about pretty much any form of PvP in Eve, that's why it's sometimes known as "teh surprise buttsexh". Why should miners be any different?

Just as an FYI, the guy you're calling out on presenting an overly complex summary of ganking has in fact presented a pretty accurate summary of what goes into a gank, small gang ganking is just as prevalent as solo ganking, and therefore just as relevant. Your ignorance is only outshone by your shitposting abilities.

In fact I would say that solo ganking is probably more difficult than doing it as a group.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#557 - 2014-01-16 17:19:49 UTC
Hitamino wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Hitamino wrote:
I'm telling you some people don't. Some people are new, and don;t have alts and friends to do their bidding. That's why I white knight, because I think that they should have support, and if the game is going to balance everything in favour of the dickhead that wants to ruin the game for people with a random alt while he scams in Jita, then I have to step in and do what I can to stop it.

I've seen new order guys bumping nubs until they quit, and they are given no forewarning that they can have that done to them and there's nothing they can do to get out of it. That's just not right.
The same people don't take proper care of their Freighters are about the same as miners who don't fit tanks.

There is something to do to reduce your risk immensely. If you don't do it, you have given consent to your destruction to anyone who happens along and cares to do something about it.

"some people are new"?

Not anyone with enough skillpoints to fly a Freighter, no.

And everyone has friends. If you've been playing the game for long enough to fly a Freighter, and you don't know anyone who might strap into a cat and come help you, then while you may have my pity, you're certainly nothing the game should be balanced around.

The point is that there are counters. That's it, they exist, the end.
Why are you just talking about freighters? This is about miners getting bumped. It's in the OP and everything.


Because orbiting and turning on an afterburner is hard. Roll

And before you start in, yes, there are some guys in the New Order who are good enough to hit an orbiting miner with a bumping ship. I'm certainly not one of them, it's like 3 guys, 5 tops.

So you won't ever have perfect immunity, yeah. But if that's unacceptable to you, then you're playing the wrong game.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#558 - 2014-01-16 17:23:37 UTC
Hitamino wrote:
Mag's wrote:
So are you saying it's the bumpers fault, that someone allowed themselves to be bumped for hours on end?
No, I'm saying there is no option to stop yourself getting bumped once the bumping has begun. If the bumper does not choose to stop, they can continue bumping you until downtime. Player with a single account then have the options of eject from their ship, or stop playing EVE.
You can only be bumped for hours, if you allow yourself to be bumped for hours.

At one time one of the most complained about things, was those that logged off. Now it seems people can't even do that. What?

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#559 - 2014-01-16 17:26:32 UTC
Confirmed; Tanked orbitting Proc with one eye on local and DScan is hard

Confirmed; Autopiloting freighters makes sense

Confirmed; EvE has no PVP is always on flag


Seriously, that last bunch of crap has been regurgitated so many times in this thread alone its turned into cheese

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Debra Scully
Imperial Phoenix Legion
#560 - 2014-01-16 18:50:46 UTC
I've never been bumped, but since you don't have a combat flag, can't you just log off or kill your internet connection, log back on and your ship will be in a different spot?

Also, by the time the bumper lines you up for the next bump, can't you warp out by then? Obvious I'm talking mining barge here, not a freighter or Orca.