EVE General Discussion

Next question is how many bubbles and station camps to you think I encounter in Lanngisi.

The question after that is how much less isk per hour would I make running those null missions in a ship fast enough to survive vs my machariel and vargur in high sec?

Its a sign of the times, nerfing highsec is the answer to all EVE's problems. Highsec has become a horrible metastatic malignant tumor. It must be nerfed for the good of EVE.

Keep trying Benny. No butthurt here: I happen to be one of the few who has the balls to admit that ISK flow in null is too passive. Keep trying to attack me personally, over the argument though; it shows where the truth is. Maybe after enough tries you will eventually have a meaningful response that actually addresses the argument. The simple fact that nerfing the place where people go to enjoy the game is not the answer to helping people enjoy the game.

Or maybe, you will address the core ISK flow comparison? Moon Goo + Anoms + Sigs + PI in nullsec dwarfs everything you can do in hisec given the same amount of time and same number of accounts. Every. Single. Time.

There is no comparison. On top of that, you can gain ISK via null PI and Moon Goo *while* making more money elsewhere.

"Nerf Hisec because we spend our time in Hisec while making tons of passive ISK in nullsec" is not the solution.

But keep trying to ignore the obvious points and continue to try and belittle anyone who brings up real comparisons. I know how much ISK flows in null; I have lived in both NPC and Sov (both as a renter and as a part of a large block alliance).

So have the two parties of HS and NS come to an agreement about a balanced way to un**** this real or imagined imblance?

No?

All right, carry on.

Increasing costs and/or decreasing NPC station manufacturing efficiency would likely be enough for better incentivising POS, though the issue of wanting to leave it up and defend it I'm not sure of. In most cases there is no worthwhile reason to fight a highsec war as a defender, so making a POS desirable to leave up will need to resolve that first.

Well, that all still has a series of dependencies. The negative aspect to taking down the POS needs to be in some way worse than losing the POS to be worthwhile. Even then, if the defending corp isn't capable of keeping the pos safe alone the cost now expands to merc costs + the possibility of still losing it due to the mercs failing or worse not intending to really defend it to begin with.

Fine, start by removing jump freighters from hi-sec. should impact the isk income to high sec industry.

It was a nerf to everyone including null as it hit everything that dropped loot/salvage but it was a much needed one and it was indeed funny to watch all of the rage from mission runners and clueless nullbears.

I'm baffled by this discussion.

A bunch of people are saying it's "too hard" to manufacture in Null Sec. It's unsafe. It's too expensive. There's no effective supply chain.

It's effectively "too lawless", which is the very thing they love about Null Sec space.

Null gets the "best" of all the raw materials in the game. Huge asteroids, the best ice/gas, the best PI percentages. They get L5 missions and anomolies and complexes and things I (personally) probably don't even know exist in game.

And, again, Null Sec is too lawless to allow widespread mining and manufacturing. Because the residents of Null Sec like it that way.

And...their answer is say that High Sec manufacturing is broken and needs to be downgraded to push manufacturing into lower security space? Also, at least one person was claiming Null ought to be self-sufficient. Null residents are somehow entitled to changes that will allow them to manufacture in such a way that they not "need" High Sec at all at the cost of High Sec manufacturing???

Does no one supporting that position understand real world economics? Null sec residents are the Somali pirates. Apple is not going to build their shiny new factory next to your docks. And there's no point in pretending to be surprised that Apple's employees don't want to play your reindeer games when you spent the past *decade* shooting every work party that cruised through your waters on the way to picking up some Unobtanium.

I think a number of people are misunderstanding the concept of "Risk vs Reward". RvR does not mean "Every possible activity in Null Sec should pay significantly better because it's riskier there". Part of the "risk" of Null is that it's such a harsh uncaring place that it's financial suicide for ANY corporation to set up large scale manufacturing.

You're living on the f-cking frontier. Rolling out of bed, riffling through your latest buy orders, and then setting up a set of production jobs while you're still wearing your jammies is for those people who live in high sec safety. It's the whole f-cking POINT of High Sec.

The point of High Sec is to provide enough stability and safety to keep the assorted empires from collapsing back into the frontier-style Null Sec lawlessness that occurred after the original Eve stargate collapsed.

the one where hiring a building and getting something manufactured in the middle of manhattan costs more than seventy cents and a stick of gum?

"nullsec gameplay should mostly involve your capsuleer dying of dysentery" - carebears, 2014