Crime & Punishment

Really? Most long fleet engagements consist of pilots who voluntarily came for the fight. They may not have known it could last hours, but they knew it could.

That is a bit different from someone in this situation.

While I agree that the mechanics needed to be changed to prevent the old Logofski problem, it seems like there should be some sort of limits.

While it is unfair if the freighter pilot could DC and POOF be gone in 60 seconds, if it takes an hour for the ganker to get their S**T together to shoot the thing, they should lose the opportunity as well.

I just so happen to have about 7 freighter loads worth about 25b each I need to move. OP, I'll pay you 4b each if you can haul them for me.

Since this is C&P, I believe it is legal to post the killmail.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20929926

OP flew a crap-ton of BPOs and moon goo around hisec in a freighter and eventually lost the draw. gg

Double-wrap that stuff next time.

Also, there is nothing saying you "have" to stay logged in if they are bumping you. You can log out all you want. But you'll still lose your ship.

And recently, the OP getting ganked was ruled legal. CCP rules on these things on a case by case basis, but I doubt this was even in the 'grey area' for them. It was just one hour of bumping, that doesn't seem excessive to me, specially cuz he was such a phat loot target. But even if he would have been completely empty and somebody just had a beef with him and wanted him dead, that would prolly be rules as legit too, and imo that's how it should be.

Also, bumping is harder than you might think, specially if you need to keep the target on grid for such a long period of time, one **** up and your target is gone. I was practicing on bumping an orca with a stabber and it surprised me how hard it was to keep the thing from warping off. I thought a nudge in any direction every minute or so would be enough, turns out it isn't. With some practice and experience and perhaps another ship/fit it's totally possible I reckon but it's not as simple as it may seem.

Same with ganking, a succesful gank may look very simple in the eyes of the victim and bystanders but again, one **** up and your gank fails. That **** up could come in many forms, target that moved while you were warping in, forgetting to overheat your guns, misclicking on your warp disruptor, loading wrong ammo, getting your dps vs tank numbers wrong etc etc, that's not even taking into account other players interfering.

When I started ganking, despite having a good guide that explained everything step by step, I completely botched my first two ganks. Even highly experienced gankers fail ganks, they might not wanna admit it, but they do.

The OP gank was in no way 'simple', anyone who says it is, I challenge you to go out and gank a freighter right now and then come back and let us know how it went

You should though , it was you who dropped 20B+ in that freighter and no one else .

No. Anything that nerfs non-consensual pew, ganking or aggressive gameplay is bad for EvE and should not be done by that measure alone. CCP needs to view every change request through that lens, otherwise they continue down the road to nerfdom that is already destroying what made EVE great, already underway unfortunately and documented here.

I grow really F#$)ing tired of the constant drumbeat of carebears who enter my game, and mewl for nerfs or stealth nerfs like this based on BS arguments devoid of EVE's HTFU core. Nerf mongers must be beaten down, shot, burned, buttsexed, mashed, squashed and ridiculed at each and every occurrence.

p.s.
If you don't want sh!t like this happening to you, don't fill your f#)$(ing ship to overflowing with chocolatey goodness, or bring a counter-bumping escort, etc etc -- don't ask for game mechanics to be changed to accomodate your incompetence or stupidity.

F#@$I(#*$()#@*#@)(#*@)(@*#)(@*#)(@!

25b is more than 10 times over 2.3b in collat (with 20% cargo) run in hi sec Itty V.

Sure it is faster to fly and loose that way, when run along a ganked spacelane between major trade routes.

That ganker, trade route damage and other kills are easily spotted on the attackers kill mail.


btw, did you check the opponents intelligence rather than opting for a more tactical optimization?


oh, and I didn't forget to opt for [x] Receive notifications for this topic.

from that link

However, persistent targeting of a player with bumping by following them around after they have made an effort to move on to another location can be classified as harassment,

so this can clearly be called a case of harassment since it went on for 1 hour and he was trying to go somewhere

The OP deserved to be ganked... Why in the world would you haul BPO's in a freighter?? Haul them a few at a time in a interceptor. That way if they do get extremely lucky to get you the loss isn't that big.

I don't agree with "bumping" as it doesn't make sense. I understand that "it's just a game" so everything in Eve can't be real but a ship being able to crash into another over, over and over to prevent it from warp is just silly.

Now if CCP wants to put another ganking mechanic to replace "bumping" that might be acceptable.

Bumping makes perfect sense. Setting up a faster than light travel would have to be extremely accurate. Hence the reason ships alighn before warping. At speeds that fast, even a miniscule adjustment would result in millions of miles of course deviation. Ergo.. Making sure the ship cannot alighn via bumping them makes pretty good sense to me..