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Nerf Nullsec Income by 10%

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2014-01-16 03:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Jenn aSide wrote:
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .

Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change Lol.

You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2014-01-16 03:06:22 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .

Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change Lol.

You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.


Highsec players constantly demanding buffs as well as requiring coddling certainly has nothing to do with highsec getting all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2014-01-16 03:11:43 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
La Nariz wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .

Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change Lol.

You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.


Highsec players constantly demanding buffs as well as requiring coddling certainly has nothing to do with highsec getting all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs.

Yup. Us pubbies held a secret council on this one and called it Extermination of Sovereignty Space, hence the ESS. No point in hiding it now.

By the way, hi sec carebears have managed to accomplish "getting high sec all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs". It's like these creatures are cunning intelligent and extremely persuasive super-beings, yet dumb pubbies at the same time. Interesting.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#44 - 2014-01-16 03:17:42 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .

Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change Lol.

You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.


I believe you misinterpreted his statement.

He means that, if CCP is determined to make an acceptable level of income in their part of space impossible, that they are going to flood highsec to get it there instead. I imagine through Incursions and such.

Your persecution complex is in high dudgeon, though. Coming along nicely.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Genseric Tollaris
Hard Cog Industry
#45 - 2014-01-16 03:17:44 UTC
Looks like a good time to plan a move to sov null then. Since apparently everyone will clear out and go to high sec, I'll be free to rat away uninterrupted.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2014-01-16 03:19:10 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .

Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change Lol.

You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.


Highsec players constantly demanding buffs as well as requiring coddling certainly has nothing to do with highsec getting all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs.

Yup. Us pubbies held a secret council on this one and called it Extermination of Sovereignty Space, hence the ESS. No point in hiding it now.

By the way, hi sec carebears have managed to accomplish "getting high sec all of the buffs and nullsec getting all of the nerfs". It's like these creatures are cunning intelligent super-beings, yet dumb pubbies at the same time. Interesting, no?


glad you agree them barge buffs sher were somethin

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2014-01-16 03:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .

Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change Lol.

You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.


I believe you misinterpreted his statement.

He means that, if CCP is determined to make an acceptable level of income in their part of space impossible, that they are going to flood highsec to get it there instead. I imagine through Incursions and such.


Jenn aSide wrote:
This time what will go around is more null sec people in high sec because null sec income is getting a nerf. So whle you smile now with glee, you won't be smiling as more and more of us realize that ganking folk in high sec is better isk than ratting now lol.


Incursions and such, eh?

Please, do tell me again how I'm misinterpreting his intentions.

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La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2014-01-16 03:27:07 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:

Please, do tell me again how I'm misinterpreting his intentions.


You are misinterpreting my intentions.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#49 - 2014-01-16 03:34:04 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .

Not that I agree with the ESS mechanics and overall "nerf", but this is why I have ZERO sympathy for your tears. You can manage to turn any of your frustrations and misery into an issue against hi sec players. Hi sec players had NOTHING to do with this change. And here you are threatening CCP with punching babies if they go through with this change Lol.

You go show CCP who's boss now. Typical bully attitude.


I believe you misinterpreted his statement.

He means that, if CCP is determined to make an acceptable level of income in their part of space impossible, that they are going to flood highsec to get it there instead. I imagine through Incursions and such.


Jenn aSide wrote:
This time what will go around is more null sec people in high sec because null sec income is getting a nerf. So whle you smile now with glee, you won't be smiling as more and more of us realize that ganking folk in high sec is better isk than ratting now lol.


Incursions and such, eh?

Please, do tell me again how I'm misinterpreting his intentions.


The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?

Yeah, that part.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2014-01-16 03:40:02 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Ah yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count! It's like I'm arguing with a child.

By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable!

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#51 - 2014-01-16 03:41:50 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?

Yeah, that part.


A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count.

By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable!


It certainly can be, but that's largely up to the individual dumbass who overloads his cargo hold.

As for the rest, context much?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-01-16 04:30:00 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?

Yeah, that part.


A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count.

By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable!


It certainly can be, but that's largely up to the individual dumbass who overloads his cargo hold.

As for the rest, context much?


The context is he is very upset by something I said in another thread yet he refused to quote and link to it. Its the standard highsec pseudointellectual crap. I guess we can count ourselves lucky he hasn't demanded double-blind peer-reviewed studies to support every assertion we make.

This ESS is bad in its current form and needs to be revised or restricted to highsec only.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#53 - 2014-01-16 04:32:43 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The part where, what you just quoted him saying, is neither part of the post you quoted, nor part of this thread?

Yeah, that part.


A h yes, because if he stated this on a different thread, then well, it doesn't count.

By the way, I also find it amusing that all of a sudden, and for the sake of this argument, the consensus now is that suicide-ganking hi sec players is actually profitable!


It certainly can be, but that's largely up to the individual dumbass who overloads his cargo hold.

As for the rest, context much?


The context is he is very upset by something I said in another thread yet he refused to quote and link to it. Its the standard highsec pseudointellectual crap. I guess we can count ourselves lucky he hasn't demanded double-blind peer-reviewed studies to support every assertion we make.

This ESS is bad in its current form and needs to be revised or restricted to highsec only.


While I'm sure he's mad at you (plenty of people are just for the words beneath your name), he attributed that quote to Jenn, not to you.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#54 - 2014-01-16 04:37:25 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
La Nariz wrote:
The context is he is very upset by something I said in another thread yet he refused to quote and link to it. Its the standard highsec pseudointellectual crap. I guess we can count ourselves lucky he hasn't demanded double-blind peer-reviewed studies to support every assertion we make.

TBH, I'm not even sure what it is you're rambling about. Are you referring to my reply to Jenn?

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Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2014-01-16 04:56:17 UTC
If they nerf high security space who will buy all those shiny officer mods to pimp out their mission fits that will never get paid off?

You guys act like null is the main faucet of isk in eve.

Something clever
Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#56 - 2014-01-16 06:42:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
No matter what CCP does with this ESS, we'll adapt to it (i'm adapting right now, Lanngisi is cool this time of year lol), what we've tried to tell CCP is don't repeat the history of the anom nerf, but it seems to fall on deaf ears.

Oh well, high Sec guys, get ready for a FLOOD of nullbears all up in yo bidness :) .


Please, please stop the hyperbole.
There will NOT be a flood of null sec ratters heading to high sec for a 5% nerf.
I strongly doubt that a 5% drop in bounties will be the tipping point.
Now, for a 20% nerf, yeah, I could see it.

BTW, I am on record in the dev blog comments about the ESS stating flat out it is a stupid stupid mechanism.

Further, I very much doubt that flocks of griefer inties will descend upon null sec, dropping these units in every system.

If you want to discuss how moronic this device is as it actually takes income from most line members, in a time when CCP is supposedly trying to create bottom up income in null, that is something valid. Or that in deep deep blue blanketed systems, far from the inties and hot-droppers, this device can be deployed to the advantage of botters and human ratters alike.

Or that the logic justifying the ESS's existence posted by the dev is incredibly poor and easily refuted by the CSM minutes, that is also perfectly valid.

But don't talk about a vast migration from null sec over this.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#57 - 2014-01-16 06:47:31 UTC  |  Edited by: SmilingVagrant
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:

Further, I very much doubt that flocks of griefer inties will descend upon null sec, dropping these units in every system.


Actually the inties are pretty much already there, they just don't have anything to deploy at the moment. Sit on a main regional entry gate to any populated nullsec region for about an hour. If you don't count about 20 instawarping missile ceptors going through with the occasional pity stilleto I'd be shocked.

If I was going to use this thing as an offensive tool I'd use it more for hotdrop baiting than anything, and I'd go out of my way to do it with ships that would be difficult to counter drop.
Irya Boone
The Scope
#58 - 2014-01-16 06:53:21 UTC
For OP : yes nerf null sec income by 10% and in the same time nerf High sec income by 50% ( no risk no gain )
and increase low sec inc by 300% ..

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#59 - 2014-01-16 07:16:10 UTC
Irya Boone wrote:
For OP : yes nerf null sec income by 10% and in the same time nerf High sec income by 50% ( no risk no gain )
and increase low sec inc by 300% ..


I was always under the impression that if you were willing to you could make decent money in lowsec but the "If you were willing to" was always the hard bit. I mean nullsec has the whole empire building/being part of something bigger as a draw, and even then the people that make isk there are either exploration guys (Limited resource) or people doing anoms (Convenient but not very good resource).

Am I wrong? I don't know much about low sec, and I only really use it as a highway to get my Carrier around.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-01-16 09:14:59 UTC
The proposed change is fine for the most part. You only lose 5% and but you could potentially earn 20% more, so i don't see what the big deal is.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...