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The Cost of Nothing (ISK =/= $ Discussion)

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Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#21 - 2014-01-16 00:02:36 UTC
I think of it in terms of in-game lateral. I want to keep my account plexed and have ISK enough for work ships (presently ninja looters and suicide gankers) and fun ships (like unique ships, max stat ships, and themed fit ships). Every loss reduces that lateral a bit. Every successful gank increases it. If I were to get a huge windfall of isk/loot I would say to myself "sweet! free titan skillbooks and jump freighters!" rather than "damn, this dude just lost hundreds of dollars in PLEX to me."

The headlines that grab attention about the RL cost of scams and losses are meant to impress in the eyes of non-eve players. Its a good marketing tool. For people familiar with the game, I think the reaction to those headlines is different, and weighted against their own holdings and goals uniquely. When I see a really savage burn go down my reaction is usually "dang. wish I was there to ninja that wreck..."

Signatures should be used responsibly...

IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#22 - 2014-01-16 00:20:44 UTC
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
A good point. I've found that people who try to live off PLEX are, generally speaking, never actually enjoying the game as much as people who just pony-up the subscription fees and forget about it. To a PLEX addict, EvE has become a job. A chore. I already have a real job, thanks, I don't need a second one. I play EvE (and games in general) to relax and have fun, not make some kinds of stupid quota.


^ This

Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2014-01-16 00:26:11 UTC
I make buttloads of money and burn up 4 plex a month on top of a 400m isk a month pos bill. In like. Hours.


Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#24 - 2014-01-16 00:33:24 UTC
IbanezLaney wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
A good point. I've found that people who try to live off PLEX are, generally speaking, never actually enjoying the game as much as people who just pony-up the subscription fees and forget about it. To a PLEX addict, EvE has become a job. A chore. I already have a real job, thanks, I don't need a second one. I play EvE (and games in general) to relax and have fun, not make some kinds of stupid quota.


^ This


I would say the rule of thumb is if it takes you more than an hour to get the ISK for a PLEX you are better off paying for the sub. That's how I see it, anyway.

Signatures should be used responsibly...

Alex Grison
Grison Universal
#25 - 2014-01-16 02:48:32 UTC
the cost of nothing is not worth of it. when you put it in your spaaaceship and you take it out into space. becuase in yo spaceship you can go any place and then you get to where you are going and you put it in the bank. you can thank the bank for being the money holders

yes

Yosef Brinalle
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2014-01-16 02:53:06 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
The whole "time is money" argument is irrelevent. It's the last breath argument for the people who believe that someday someone will pay them to play video games and they won't have to get a real job.

The economy is based on supply and demand. If it drops often, and lots of people do it, then supplyt is higher then demand and the item is cheap, if it's a rare dop and demand is high, then it's an expensive item. It doesnt matter if it took you 15 seconds or 15 days to get any said item. No one is paying you to play a game.
You are not being paid to play games, get that idea out of you're head. Once you do, then you'll realize, the ore really is free.


If what you say is true then RMT must not exist right? Glad you cleared that up for me.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-01-16 02:56:21 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
http://isk.thealphacompany.net/

When you buy a ship, purchase modules, invest in caps, pick up a BPO, open the market, set out on a mission, undock in a fleet for some PvP, throw up (or take down) a POS, begin research and do anything and everything else that either involves or potentially involves the loss or gain of ISK... do you put a dollar value on it?

This isn't a question about RMT, PLEX or even ISK really, rather, I'm asking if you assign real world values to that which takes place in EVE, or do you ignore the articles that refer to how X person embezzled Y amount of ISK from of Z bank and put a down payment on their new home or fixed their car with it and just perceive all this as "entertainment"?


No because I'm playing a video game turbo nerd.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#28 - 2014-01-16 02:57:11 UTC
Gogela wrote:
IbanezLaney wrote:
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
A good point. I've found that people who try to live off PLEX are, generally speaking, never actually enjoying the game as much as people who just pony-up the subscription fees and forget about it. To a PLEX addict, EvE has become a job. A chore. I already have a real job, thanks, I don't need a second one. I play EvE (and games in general) to relax and have fun, not make some kinds of stupid quota.


^ This


I would say the rule of thumb is if it takes you more than an hour to get the ISK for a PLEX you are better off paying for the sub. That's how I see it, anyway.


Same, I only would plex if I reach a point where I'm rolling in isk.

The tv license costs more than eve and tv is a total load of ****.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#29 - 2014-01-16 03:01:26 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
No because I'm playing a video game turbo nerd.

Turbo?

**** that, I'm supercharged.
RAW23
#30 - 2014-01-16 03:44:54 UTC
When donating to PLEX for Good, of course.

Otherwise, only when I want to make myself feel good about playing (my wallet balance is worth thousands of dollars Big smile) or bad about playing (why is my wallet balance worth more than my real life bank account Sad).

Recently my wallet has been low enough for neither of these to apply and I haven't considered it much.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Anomaly One
Doomheim
#31 - 2014-01-16 03:48:12 UTC
No way would I put a dollar value on gaming items it disassociates me from the game :s kinda annoying to even think about it, x ship is worth Y dollars, ehh... feels like working..

Never forget. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5l_ZjVyRxx4 Trust me, I'm an Anomaly. DUST 514 FOR PC

Baron' Soontir Fel
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-01-16 04:13:47 UTC
all my time spinning buttons in FW has to pay for something
Julius Rigel
#33 - 2014-01-16 08:23:11 UTC
I try to live my (real-life) life according the rules that everyone has agreed upon, so in that sense I cannot legally exchange my ISK for other currencies, and thus I don't assign any value in any other currency to my ISK.

Besides, even on a student-size type of budget, I think I can survive without those $3-400...

Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
I only would plex if I reach a point where I'm rolling in isk.

The tv license costs more than eve and tv is a total load of butt.
Not to sound glib, but... do they force you to pay a television license where you live? I assume they do in some places? I don't own a television set, so I don't pay a television license.

In any case, "rolling in ISK" isn't that difficult, it really depends on how you have fun. What I enjoy most in eve is flying around, and frigates, so while flying around in frigates I usually pick up enough salvage and loot and stuff that other people leave at gates, on average, to cover most of my PLEX. T2 salvage is really expensive, and people tend to just leave it there after blowing each other up in T2 ships.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#34 - 2014-01-16 13:35:00 UTC
I never calculate the IRL value of anything since exchange is always a one way street.

With money one can by PLEX and thus ISK but never the other way around. Hence, the only metric relevant to me is how much IRL money I spent on Eve. Since I have an annual subscription and never buy PLEX, I need not worry about that at all as it never happens. As for what my stuff would be worth IRL... that's totally irrelevant. I am not allowed to turn these virtual assets into real money anyway.

No object in Eve is actually worth IRL money. You could calculate how much PLEX (and thus money) you would need to buy something using real currency, but it is not actually worth that currency. It may seem that way, it being 'worth it' to you, but thats a personal interpretation of spending behaviour, not an exchange rate.
Daedlus Caine
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2014-01-16 13:42:56 UTC
Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:
Just another tool for tool's to use when creating whine threads about how much people took from their poorly protected corp assets, or to place a monetary value on their epeens, or to stroke epeens when you ***** on a juicy mail.





b-but my myrmidon was killed by a meanie ganker ! I am a special snowflake that deserves compensation because I'm too much of a scaredy cat to go into low-sec and do sites!!!

/sarcasm

I always wonder how some carebears even survive in EVE.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#36 - 2014-01-16 23:32:01 UTC
Daedlus Caine wrote:
I always wonder how some carebears even survive in EVE.

From what I understand, many don't.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#37 - 2014-01-17 04:41:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Katran Luftschreck
Daedlus Caine wrote:
I always wonder how some carebears even survive in EVE.


You say "carebare" and I say "casual player." See previous post. Real job, stuff to do. Don't have time to spend twelve hours a day every day of the dang week worrying about ISK, PLEX, or EvE in general. Sure, I'd love to be able to earn billions of ISK an hour sitting in some supercap, ratting away in a null alliance. And all I'd have to do is quit my job, live off welfare and keep my lips glued to some egomaniacal nullbear leader's arse all the time. I've got better things to do... like mine Veldspar, for example. Being the uberleet EvE player is appealing, but not at what it cost me in real life.

And I'm not alone. Go around and interview some of these "carebaers" you like to chide. Ask them about their jobs, their homes, their families. I promise it will be a lot more interesting than what you hear from the 23/7 Falcon flying gate campers, that's for sure.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-01-17 07:07:02 UTC
Oh man, if i calculated everything in terms of risk/reward and eventual profit/loss terms i wouldn't be able to get out of bed and nobody, absolutely nobody would be able to give me a rational reason to do so.
Because ultimately, what's in it for you is death.
There i said it, the thuggish referral to the fact that makes all temporal wealth and power meaningless. Sorry.

Space rainmen just don't get it.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2014-01-17 08:13:48 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
The whole "time is money" argument is irrelevent. It's the last breath argument for the people who believe that someday someone will pay them to play video games and they won't have to get a real job.

Some people do get paid to play video games. It depends often on the game, but they may write gaming news, write game reviews, stream games, make gaming videos, play competitive games professionally (like LoL or SC2), etcetera. There are more than a few people who have made money off playing EVE, making EVE videos, or creating EVE websites/utilities. You just have to be popular enough.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

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