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Edit: Based on frequent misinterpretations, I want to clarify the statement regarding the amount of ISK entering the game through NPC bounties a bit. This is NOT saying that the amount of ISK is too much and we're using the ESS as a weird nerfing tool of some sort. What is being said is that because the amount of ISK is so high, slight changes up or down makes a huge difference - there are many activities in EVE where the income could be affected by dozens of % and it would just be a blip in the ocean for the economy as a whole, but NPC bounties are not one of them - even a few % points up or down will have ripple effect everywhere in the game. So the point being made is that we have to be careful about altering these amounts.



Because the ISK coming into the game from Null Sec bounties every day is insane and we want to minimize inflation.



That is mostly for lore reasons - the empires are coughing up money themselves because they´re hoping to draw null sec pilots back into the fold.




This is subjective. Some will feel the risk is not worth the gain, some will feel the gain is worth the risk.

Man, you are defending the indefensible. Give it up now, admit it's a bad idea, take it back to the drawing board. There's no shame in a rethink.

That's ok, I hate everyone too. The module as-is doesn't do what you think it does. It doesn't create conflict because no one will even bother with the minimal reward it potentially offers. This is due to the large reduction in current income, with a high risk of getting no reward and a small reward if the gambit succeeds.

Are you familiar with the concept of a risk/benefit analysis?

This is going to succeed. Well done, empires, you're going to achieve your goals.

It's not a nerf if we chose to be, it is a definite nerf because of the way CCP has designed Nullsec ratting.

Here are the facts.

Income is completely dependent on DPS of a ratting ship. If a fit does less than 600 DPS, you will receive less Isk/hour than L4 missions (Faction Navy est 60 Mil/hour. SOE missions can hit 150+) . Ratting ships generally fit as much pure damage as possible over damage application and projection, never mind mobility and tackle.

Ratting Means tanking a decent amount of incoming damage for prolonged periods of time. This means ratting fits are optimized for endurance, and fare poorly against high burst ratter ganking fits. Not to mention the ratting ship will have rat damage from the start. In practice, this means a ratting ship will always lose to a ratter ganker, unless the ganker is extraordinarily inept.

Due to the way anomalies are designed, ratting is largely a solo/multiboxed activity. Rats have very low HP, and the frequent target switching from having multiple people ratting the same site reduces efficiency. Even if ratting ships could fight the gankers, that would be dependent on ratter gankers being honorable space samurai who always work alone and never have a gang behind them.

From these attributes, the only reasonable action when ratter gankers enter system is to dock.

I'm curious, what do CCP devs envision as " various choices in how to respond". Do you expect certain player behavior when implementing new features? a certain way they be used? they ways they impact EVE at large?

With respect many have stated that if inflation was the reason we would rather just have CCP rework the bounties and be open and honest about it.
Also it seems a little backwards to be fixing an inflation issue by adding a module which can potentially bring more money into the game. This goes back to my earlier posts that if CCP is looking for a way to sink some ISK out of the game have these modules pay out LP instead of ISK that way we will be dumping the money into LP stores which are one of the games larger ISK sinks.

LP would also work nicely with the lore you're trying to establish here and gives the racial variants of the modules more meaning as you will be choosing which LP you would like to be earning via the choice.

In the current state of the item it's really not worth it to most NullSec entities because it offers far too little gain for far to high a risk.

Between you, us, and N3's rental programs, we are generating trillions of isk a month in rent. Renters, in a large amount, generate that isk from ratting.

Yet if you use the ESS properly you get 105% of the bounty. So much for worrying about inflation.

You know an idea is bad when everyone agrees its bad. CCP have succeeded in uniting both Empire and null sec players into agreeing that the ESS is bad.

One of CCP's stated goals in the past was to get rid of all possible NPC items. This item should not reverse that trend and should be player made.

If by subjective, you mean lotteries are also subjective because they are played by people really bad at math. Then yes, this is subjective too.