Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi,

I know there is a million threads on give new players extra SP and the like and they get shot down fairly quickly with macanis law (or something like that).

This is some what different and hopefully will avoid the same responses... Here goes:

Can you add a feature that will credit additional SP for the use of skills?

E.g.
1. Player uses EW in combat
-- (has to actually activate a module on a target that is causing the player damage or some such to avoid stats padding)
2. Player gets credited a SMALL* amount of additional SP in the category that the activated modules requirements reside.
3. ??
4. Profit.

* SMALL would be something like 1SP per second the module is active

So, how bad is it...?

No.

What about passive modules, how would that benefit them?

Simply no. There are implants and remaps that already benefit the rate you get skills.

Short answer IMO is no. There are a multitude of reasons, from abuse to quite frankly its not needed.

Not needed I say? Why yes, not needed.

One of the reasons that EVE's system works is that SP levels do not mean nearly as much as in other traditional MMO's

Now granted I haven't played very many other MMO's in recent years so my information may be a bit dated. But in traditional MMO's that I have played (where you gain SP or XP by playing), your characters "level" was very important. For example it was very hard if not impossible for a level 2 player to hang with level 40 players. Quite frankly this is was got me out of many MMO's as my friends often had more time to grind up their level than I did, so I would get left behind.


Unlike that scenario, this does not have nearly the same effect in EVE. Sure in the beginning there is a bit of a grind still, but before long a new player can easily and effectively hang with the vets. This would be in PVE activities (level 4 missions, Incursions etc). and in PVP.

The only different really becomes that an older player has more options.

To use me and incursions as an example. At one point I wanted to try getting into incursions. I focused on Logi and trained up for that (Oneiros). Once I got that skill I was able to, as a relative noob, fly incursions alongside guys with literally 10x the SP I had. BUT, I could only fly one ship. If the FC was calling for DPS but didn't need logi, Id have to wait.

Fast forward a bit, and now I can still run incursions. But now I can bring big DPS, T3 DPS, or logi (Guardian or Onieros).

Similar with Missions. Probably within 2 months of starting EVE I could run Level 4 missions alongside friends with way more SP than I had, in a meh fit Dominix. They had more ship choices, but I could still participate with them.

And then onto PVP. 3 weeks after I started EVE, I was in my first wardec. My corp threw me into some cheap frigates (Incursus) and said, "dive in and keep stuff pointed" Yea I didn't get many (or any) kills. But I was often instrumental in keeping that one more ship stuck on grid for the fleet to kill. So there I was as a 3 week old noob not only rolling with some big boys, but being USEFUL.

So yea I still have to passively wait for that next cool ship. But the point is the amount of SP you have in EVE does not have nearly the effect that it would in other MMO's

Everytime I hear such stuff, I allways ask myself:

Is it better to grind 3 weeks to get the level cap (other MMO's), and enjoy all the content while gearing up after you hit the lv cap, or is it better to sit and wait 6 months to be able to do what you want, and then 6 other months to do the next thing, and then another 6 months for the next and so on and on and on...

If you join this game and wish from day one to fly capitals, then sure that is a wait. But why on earth wouldn't you enjoy the game, while you trained for that goal?

Your attitude seems to be: "Yea done that, now I'll just log on changing skills for 6 months till I can do the next thing."
That's not the fault of the game, but your attitude. Getting everything NOW, doesn't fill me with any joy or sense of accomplishment. If you want that, there are plenty of games out there that fit that bill. Try them.

I do take you point, well except for who ever said they make isk without grinding in some fashion. (Market games count too).

I have many alts spread across many faces of eve and I am in no hurry to get to a space coffin.

I am more looking at, say, wanting a to be maxed out on a single EW Cruiser fit and dumping it into EveMon to find out that it is 4- months to accomplish such a thing. By the time the skills are finished it is likely that you have moved on to another interesting idea.

There is no way to actively pursue a line of skilling your character other than simply waiting.

The second part to this is the problem of attempting to get mates into the game with a line like "Yeah don't worry, you can do it too... after 3 years..."

I'm going to go out on a limb and assume that by "wait for 3 months" you are actually saying "I won't even attempt something with anything less than near perfect skills."

This is a terrible mentality to have.

Even if you have terrible skills just slap something together and try. Sure, you may not succeed... but you learn. And when you learn you figure out new things... like how to compensate for your bad skills (there is always a way around).



Also, echoing what everyone else said; no to this idea.

I'd say it depends heavily on the players general attitude. Not to get to preachy, but I've found EVE mirrors what I consider a good life attitude. And that is living in the now.

To illutrate I will tell of my EVE story. I'm coming on my third year playing. I have thoroughly enjoyed every moment playing this game.

In my first month I enjoyed what I could do as a noob. I had my mining frigate (at the time a Navitas). My misison frigate (Tristan).. I kept them unrigged so I could repackage them and put them in my Iteron. From there I would fly all over HS, trying out new areas, meeting up with and making friends (and sometimes enemies) along the way. As I have progressed I have enjoyed what I could do at that moment, not really worrying about what I was still training for. I have never worried about maximizing my isk/hr, just tried maximizing what fun I could have whatever aspect of EVE I was playing with at the time.

If you are the type that is always waiting for the next thing, a game where you can grind to max level quickly is more suited to you.

The best thing about eve is I don't feel like I have to sink every possible second in it to progress my character. I play when I want too, make some money, and if I have enough isk to replace the ships that explode then I'm at a good place. Once you get into grind for faster progression things go downhill.