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Details on Cynosural Skills and Practical Uses.
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Jaed Gogiko
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2014-01-15 18:53:04 UTC
1.
Can a rookie ship light up both types of Cynos for BlackOps and Capital Ships at the same time?

2.
Can an SB do it?

3.
Can a Force Recon do it?
(I know it is the best suited ship to light up Cynos.
Except for the fact that it becomes a more worthwhile target than a frig.)

If not, how long does it take before they can do both?

Will they have enough fuel in their cargo hold to do both without refueling?

I know that Cyno V will lessen the amount of fuel required to light up either of those cynos.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#2 - 2014-01-15 19:02:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jaed Gogiko wrote:
1. Can a rookie ship light up both types of Cynos for BlackOps and Capital Ships at the same time?

No. Rookie ships cannot fit a covert cyno.

Blops can jump and bridge to either cyno. There is no point to light both a covert and regular cyno at the same time.

Jaed Gogiko wrote:
2. Can an SB do it?

You can fit both.

Jaed Gogiko wrote:
3. Can a Force Recon do it?

You can fit both.

Jaed Gogiko wrote:
Will they have enough fuel in their cargo hold to do both without refueling?

The Amarr Impairor requires Cyno 5, or an expanded cargohold module, as it has a very small cargohold. All the other rookie ships only require Cyno 4. Rookie ships have only enough LO3 for a single activation.

It isn't unusual to use a Blockade Runner (BR) with Blops fleets to haul extra fuel.
Jaed Gogiko
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2014-01-15 19:16:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaed Gogiko
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jaed Gogiko wrote:
1. Can a rookie ship light up both types of Cynos for BlackOps and Capital Ships at the same time?

No. Rookie ships cannot fit a covert cyno.

That is good to know and confirm as I forgot that Covert Cyno can only be fitted to specific Covert ships.

Tau Cabalander wrote:
It isn't unusual to use a Blockade Runner (BR) with Blops fleets to haul extra fuel.

Keep in mind Blops can jump and bridge to either cyno.

I also read that BR can light up a Covert Cyno as well...

4.
If not, how long does it take before they can do both?

5.
Can both cynos types be lit at the same time from the same ship?

6.
Can both cynos types be lit at the same time in the same fleet?

7.
If a normal cyno allows a capital ship like a carrier to jump to it and a covert cynos is lit...
Will a Black Ops be able to choose either cynos to bridge other covops through?

8.
Will the Black Ops only be able to transfer itself through the normal cyno?
(I didn't know Black Ops battleship could jump and bridge to either cyno.)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#4 - 2014-01-15 19:28:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Jaed Gogiko wrote:
I also read that BR can light up a Covert Cyno as well...

EVElopedia wrote:
Note: can only be fitted on Black Ops, Covert Ops, Stealth Bombers and Force Recon Ships, as well as Strategic Cruisers equipped with Covert Reconfiguration Subsystems.

Notice that Blockade Runners are not in the list. Only one BR has more than one high-slot anyways.

Jaed Gogiko wrote:
4. If not, how long does it take before they can do both?

5. Can both cynos types be lit at the same time from the same ship?

6. Can both cynos types be lit at the same time in the same fleet?

There is no point to light both cyno types on the same ship at the same time.

You can have one active cyno per ship.

Jaed Gogiko wrote:
7. If a normal cyno allows a capital ship like a carrier to jump to it and a covert cynos is lit...
Will a Black Ops be able to choose either cynos to bridge other covops through?

Yes.

Left-click select member and then right-click select "Jump to member." or "Bridge to member."
Jaed Gogiko wrote:
8. Will the Black Ops only be able to transfer itself through the normal cyno?
(I didn't know Black Ops battleship could jump and bridge to either cyno.)

Blops can jump and bridge to either cyno. They can also use POS based cynos and jump bridges.

It is stupid for a blops to bridge another blops, as it is fuel inefficient and blops can jump direct to the cyno, but it can be done. Any ship with Jump Harmonics 2 can use a covert bridge.

Please read:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Black_Ops
Ricard Chastot
Snake Eye Production
#5 - 2014-01-15 20:05:47 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jaed Gogiko wrote:
I also read that BR can light up a Covert Cyno as well...

EVElopedia wrote:
Note: can only be fitted on Black Ops, Covert Ops, Stealth Bombers and Force Recon Ships, as well as Strategic Cruisers equipped with Covert Reconfiguration Subsystems.

Notice that Blockade Runners are not in the list. Only one BR has more than one high-slot anyways.


But check out the EVElopedia entry for any of the blockade runners, it says they can fit the Covert Cyno. Here's a link to the Prowler's article.

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Jaed Gogiko
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2014-01-15 20:42:59 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:

Notice that Blockade Runners are not in the list. Only one BR has more than one high-slot anyways.

Indeed, they are not listed. Only the Minmatar BR has the second high slot.
It can be pointless (and fly more than you can afford to loose) to operate a BR without Covert Ops cloak.
I would be best to train this on my alternate BR Hauler.
It might be worth a shot on a lower end indy although I highly doubt it.
Those ship fitting do get expensive although highly more efficient than normal transport.

Tau Cabalander wrote:
Jaed Gogiko wrote:
4. If not, how long does it take before they can do both?

5. Can both cynos types be lit at the same time from the same ship?

6. Can both cynos types be lit at the same time in the same fleet?

There is no point to light both cyno types on the same ship at the same time.

You can have one active cyno per ship.

Ah, I see why now. Because if Carriers jump, there cyno position cannot be hidden.
The following Blops fleets jump bridge target position would be given away.

Unless... They jumped some 50km or 100km at the back of the intended target or fleet...


I didn't know that ships could only have one active cyno at a time or at the same time.

That only leave to test the time it would take to light the following next cyno.
I believe there is or was a rule listed under cyno processes to explain how long it would take.
I wonder if it takes the same time to light different cynos.

Both
Cynosural Field Generators list a Reactivation Delay of 30 s (seconds).

Even if the 2nd type cyno is activable before the next 30 seconds, it would only make a 30 seconds difference max.

Blops can jump and bridge to either cyno. They can also use POS based cynos and jump bridges.

Tau Cabalander wrote:
It is stupid for a blops to bridge another blops, as it is fuel inefficient and blops can jump direct to the cyno, but it can be done. Any ship with Jump Harmonics 2 can use a covert bridge.

Please read:
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Ships:Black_Ops

I knew it was a waste of fuel to jump a Black Ops Battleship through another Covert Ops Bridge.

ty for the following Black Ops info link.

btw, I used to be able to edit the wiki and now it's disabled on my end.
I believe it is due to some forum update or other server update on the other end.

...
behind enemy linies or directly into a battle
shold be:
behind enemy lines or directly into a battle

even though it nicely hides the feature from normal search.
Jaed Gogiko
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2014-01-15 21:05:49 UTC
Ricard Chastot wrote:
But check out the EVElopedia entry for any of the blockade runners, it says they can fit the Covert Cyno. Here's a link to the Prowler's article.

EVElopedia wrote:
Prowler as a blockade runner

The prowler is one of the best blockaderunners around. It does lack in cargo space compared to other blockaderunners.

I never chose my alternate BR due to it's cargo space, although it came into effect on previous transport duties.

EVElopedia wrote:
However, it has a lower signature radius which will buy you some time when you need to warp fast. Being a minmatar ship it is also the fastest hauler ingame with the best aligntime. This makes the prowler perfect for hauling small yet valuable cargo.

I need that, why should I have to pay extra to diminish my signature radius.
Also note here that, to add shield extenders + rigs or armor plates + rigs or both can negate the benefits.
It would increase the sig enough to negate the potential benefits gain.

Same as above, best aligntime and lower signature radius is crucial for work.
+ It can save over 1 billion in implants (low-grade nomad set of 6, including 1 Hardwiring).

EVElopedia wrote:
More importantly, it is the only transport ship having two high slots which allows the pilot to equip the ship with one more highslot module after fitting the covert ops cloaking device.
It doesn't mention the Covert Ops Cyno.
EVElopedia wrote:
This utility highslot makes the Prowler the best choice for wormhole operations giving it the ability to fit a Scan Probe Launcher in addition to its covert ops cloaking device.
It hides the Covert Ops Cyno option with an Overt Scan Probe Launcher, even if it isn't your sister.
Secret Squirrell
Allied Press Intergalactic
#8 - 2014-01-16 05:16:46 UTC
You can also light a covert cyno on a Strategic Cruiser that has a covert subsystem installed.

You could theory craft a situation where it would be desirable to light a covert cyno first, and then go for a regular cyno before the covert one is down, but I've never had the need, nor have I ever heard anyone say they could have used it. If you really do need it, you can always blops bridge in the regular cyno.