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This reads like an infomercial. How about a bit of data on who you are, what you do and how you are going to manage the money in a way investors can have some confidence in, including the amount that you are aiming to raise.



It would be a bad move for an investor to arrange thing somewhere other than a public forum since it provides scope for all sorts of scams, as we have seen in the past. Best to put the information here.

Also has nothing to do with private equity.

Mentioned for general educational purposes only; I do understand that it sounds pretty cool when discussing serious internet spaceships finance.

I thought you already received some free railguns already! Leave some for the rest!




lol 20%!

Well as I suspected my initial ambivalence towards forum advertisement was well served... so lets go from the top in order

1. As a general first post i really just wanted this to be a scope for some general interest. I've heard about all the previous scams, ponzi's etc and thus wanted to see if some people were actually ready to give such a thing a go. Hence the mere infomercial style post but should the forum insist:

For all intents and purposes my name is Monk, i'm a broker in real life and work with market analysis both in real life and eve. Some people like mining some like pvp i enjoy playing the market and market pvp but as any trader worth his salt knows for this to be more effective and essentially more fun you need capital. I play the market for most of the day in the background and spend a fair bit of my free time analyzing markets which has netted me a nice personal profit since joining the game a few months ago (turning 600m into 3.1b). I understand as the fund grows such exuberant growth is impossible but from my projections with volume trading and profit margins in a number of goods that my promised 5-8% is realistic and beneficial for investors.

ok moving on

2. I'm not accepting free isk... not helpful

3. As stated above I'm a broker in real life and am well aware of what a private equity firm is and does and if you took any time to understand what i'm trying to do here private equity IS a part of what we do and so it's not just in the title to "look cool" as you so eloquently put

4. My previous statements in chat was merely to cultivate interest and to get some investors, 20% was the maximum i was promising back when the firm was only holding a minute amount of capital in which 20% was actually a very realistic profit margin.

5. Now that i have somewhat expanded on my initial post could those really quite uninterested in the company please go away (though i expect them to keep coming) and for those who are I'm more than happy to answer any questions and help expand on everything I've previously stated

Thanks for the interest it really is a project i'd love to get up and running!

All the best

Monk

I have no doubt!

Pledging thirteen trillion ISK to this initiative.

(That ISK is at least as real as your returns)

I am indeed somewhat interested but after years of experience investing through these forums I have found it to be absolutely essential for all these discussions to take place in the open, so would much rather you go through things here (sensitive details excepted of course). There are a couple of reasons for this:

a) MD has a long history of scams and better assessments can be made about reliability when everyone had access to the same information and investors can pool their resources.

b) Providing the information publicly makes it impossible to tell one investor one thing and another another thing, as has happened in the past.

c) Off-board dealings have previously led to scammers being able to take far higher amounts than they would otherwise be able to, since each investor is operating in an information vacuum, doesn't know who has invested what, and isn't, thus, able to form an adequate risk assessment.

And it's 23, not 32

There was someone a while back that claimed to be a stock broker IRL and used all sorts of fancy market language. Made for a great article.

They did very well out of their investment program. Some of their clients weren't quite as satisfied with the services rendered.

I'm afraid that doesn't really help at all as it does nothing to verify what you are saying.

As I have said on another thread, the desire to keep your trade secrets secret is entirely understandable but, at the same time, not really viable from an investor perspective. I certainly wouldn't advocate giving your api out to everyone who asks as that might indeed invite competitors in. However, many investors, such as myself, will really not be a threat to any of your markets. Those of us who have been around for a long time are thoroughly familiar with the general trends in the markets, having traded with hundreds of billions of isk, and are, with the greatest respect, just not going to be terribly interested in competing with you in market segments that are appropriate to the size of your operation.

Don't get me wrong on this, I started with exactly the same view as you. If you have a look at my first bond offering, four years ago (link) you'll see that I started with the view you have. However, from an investment perspective the argument for some third-party checking of basic information is compelling and I came round to the idea when I found out a bit more about the history of how MD scams have worked and how many of them rely on an information vacuum. In the nearly four years I have been an investor myself, I have come to consider at least minimal confirmation of borrower statements to be essential. Without at least some confirmation, I have no way of distinguishing you from someone with no trade skills at all who has never touched the markets in his life. Scams of that type are pretty common and it would be a foolish investor who put his money into something that he had absolutely no way of distinguishing from such a scam.

Thanks for your responses. I'm afraid I won't be investing then.