EVE General Discussion

Can I ask you to stop cherry picking and spinning of the facts? I play since 2007 and L4s, loot, salvage, etc was nerfed several times.



SOE nullsec missions pays 50% more LP than those in hisec. And yet you've done them in hisec. Its the question of security, not about nerfing/buffing missions.



Its not broken situation. No matter how better is the payoff in lower security space, people still prefers security over better payments.

None of which is the point. You said (paraphrasing) "if null sucks, why are "so many" people renting?". The fact is, renters are not a huge population and to ask that question requires you ignore thevery simple fact that the vast majority of characters aren't in null sec.

As has been explained to others there is a reason for that. Outsider think null sec is all officer spawns and deadspace loot, but why bother when you can just do high sec incursions or sisters/thukker missions in high sec (none of which is chance based like sov null pve is)?

Feel free to ignore what's right in front of you, everyone else in high sec is.



And what a fine nerf it was. . I joined minnie FW and tried it myself. I lost 2 drakes and made 500 mil in an afternoon, would have made more but some of the stations I couldn't' dock in because they belong to the amarr guys.

Some nerf.



Gee, i ran with TVP this weekend and made 120 mil an hour. And the proper way to run missions is to blitz for LP after you have high faction standing to burn .



This is so ignorant it's not funny anymore. Who in the blue blazes salvages pirate missions? And properly fit T3 are still very hard to scan.

You miss the point (apparently from a lack of experience). When i started playing, you wanted null income, you went to null. Now it's "you want null income, you must be a special education student, null income is a lot of hassle just to be screwed over by a random number generator".

The original question is "why are so many people renting?" . The answer has been explained: most people don't, most rent-able systems are not rented. The real question should be is "why are SMART people not renting, why are smart people flying freaking drakes and caracals in FacWar or doing high sec incursions/sister's missions under the protection of CONCORD when null sec is this magical land of milk and honey?"

Ask the right questions for a change.

Actually, PotatoOverdose makes a good point. Whenever hi sec nerfs are discussed, the consensus from the most outspoken null sec players is that hi sec hasn't been ever nerfed because the nerfs aren't exclusively targeting hi sec. This same standard should be applied to nerfs that are not exclusive to null sec. In other words, if it's a nerf affecting other securities of space then it is NOT a null sec nerf. That you think people are idiots for salvaging/looting pirate missions is irrelevant and your own personal opinion.

Use the same standard and judging criteria you use when you claim hi sec has never been nerfed, because I'm pretty sure I've read you stating this a couple of times.

It's incredible how some people mistake individual players for the ENTIRE ALLIANCEs they are in lol.

That's the problem with prejudice, it makes one unwilling to acknowledge the truth.

Dodging the point wont make it go away.

you didn't have a point. the complaint isn't against null versus highsec pi or null versus highsec moon minerals. nor do i think there's complaint about sigs. the rest is ad hominem

Assigning a high school debate team tactics label to someone's post doesn't change it either.

L4 have not been nerfed.

Loot, salvage were nerfed once in all areas of space including null.[/quote

My point is that the folk who wanted the nerf, then complained when they got it.

Pixel hard-men should not be taken seriously.

You honestly think anyone not in the CFC can run them?

Add to that, if we have a lot of people running missions in these systems it will show up on the map and attract gangs like moths to a light which will force the mission runners to dock up and grab their pvp ships. It can be good isk but only when you can run the missions. Good for the few who can run them but just about everyone else relies upon anoms for their income in null, these are the null equivalent of level 4 missions.

Now that we are getting yet another nerf to our income we are simply going to find that the people who have not abandoned null for isk making will most likely do so now if they can.