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Wrong... you can warp in, trigger the timer, warp out... then warp back 40 seconds later, scoop the can, and warp off again. There is almost ZERO risk to someone ninjaing the isk in a nullified ship (ceptor/t3). We tested it on SISI last night.



Flaw in your logic: Most renters safe up the second a neut hits local. They don't continue ratting so dropping an ESS while you're in system gains you absolutely nothing. In the rare situations where renters who continue to rat but pull backup would simply warp snipers in (remember you can just use a cloaky nullified T3 to make a fast bookmark for snipers to warp to so the bubble is useless, nuke the ESS from range, and laugh at the cloaky cyno guy wasting his isk on a module that gave him no benefit.

I just cant understand what the ESS will be good for. The time you get to react is to short. You wont even be able to get pilots to reshipp in time. The bonus you get from using this module is way to low for it ever beeing worth using and if some random puts one up you just leave for a other system or blow it up with tornados from 110km range wile aligned out so you can insta warp if someone tryes to get you.

Pointless moduel that wont spawn any PVP just nerfing moer income. Seems just as usless as the siphones.

Instead of making **** moduels like this. Make a bottom up income system for alliances. Mby a ihub type installation that works kind of like the ESS? That makes it posible to tax ratting income in the system as you can tax income on a poco. But the structure costs abit, have around the same HP as a POCO and has reff timers?

Or if you feel so happy about the ESS atleast make it posible to get some PVP from it. 40 sec is just plain stupid.

Thanks for being a useless wast of space CSM. Calling this useful wow really? How can anyone justify wasting dev time on such a stupid feature. What about TIDI, POS Code, Corp management .. I could go on long list to go. Instead we get a useless structure and a 5% nerf to income when Drone region income is already 30% below anyone else's combined with that fact that there is no loot no faction loot no plex loot and no hacking & analyzing sites good job CCP. Really glad you use the 150 bucks I spend on subscriptions every month so well.

You didn't even bother to read the thread did you? It's still 10 ishtar-hours no matter how you split it up, to recoup the cost of the module, let alone see a benefit from it.

10 ishtar-hours that are required EVERY TIME THE MODULE IS EMPTIED.

In other words, let's say that an interceptor comes through once every hour (it's more often now, and I guarantee much more often once this is in place). You would need 10 pilots in ishtar-equivalent ships (in terms of bounties) to break through to 'normal' income in that hour, not to mention the alt in an ibis sitting there to push the button every time a hostile comes into system. An alt that could have been another ishtar pilot. This is assuming there are systems in nullsec capable of supporting 10 ishtars (hint: there aren't).

There is no justification that can be made for this idea, it is just plain bad. At the risk of sounding cliche, if you can't see why it's bad, you are in fact, bad.

Well there's still people officer-fitting mission ships, falling for margin scams, and selling products below mineral value, so I'd have to say there are many, many people who play this game who don't even understand what math is, nevermind how to do it.

edit: but they still feel inclined to post on math-related matters

After reading this thread and absorbing the overwhelming amount of negative reaction to the ESS, I am beginning to wonder whether CCP will listen to the vast majority of players and shelve this overly complicated, nerf to null//free, zero risk atm machine for interceptors or attempt to assert in loco parentis and force this down our throats, irrespective of logical protest.

Every once in awhile, it is both a good idea and good public relations to eat crow, admit that an idea was a good boardroom discussion but badly produced, scrap a product which the vast majority of your consumers do not want and move on. This is an excellent opportunity for CCP to gain some goodwill with the player base. I truly hope CCP seizes this opportunity instead of squandering it.

CCP are going to need a few more barrels to collect all these null-sec tears. Looks like people are already thinking outside the box as to how the ESS can be deployed to serve another purpose. I'm undecided as to whether the ESS is a good or bad idea. On balance I would rather see developer man/woman hours used to fix broken parts of EVE Online. Corp roles & permissions anyone ???

Not so long ago we saw a flood of tears from the introduction of POCO in high sec. What goes around comes around.

Hehe. You're probably right.

Right, I've been holding off commenting on this till now, but things that have to be said, have to be said.

I get where CCP is coming from with this. Null-sec isn't as worthwhile as it should be, resulting in 90% of the time people just staying in their corners and doing their thing.

The ESS is supposed to do three things:

1: Make null more valuable for Sov holders
2: Give small gangs a reward other than loot drops
3: Cause more battles for Sov because null is more valuable.

Here's the problems with each purpose:

1: No one is going to deploy these things in their own space. They're literally not worth the risk.
2: The only way small gangs are going to benefit is by dropping their own, and possibly scooping a few thousand isk.
3: This has made Null worth less, not more.

So, what's the real reason these aren't so great at all? They're trying to do three things. They're a jack of three trades, and a master of none. I really hope that even the guys who are championing the idea realise they're more likely to see an empty Golden magnate floating in space than see one of these willingly put in space by a sane Null inhabitant.

So, how do we fix the ESS? We don't. Abort it. Go back to the drawing board and address each nullsec problem with an individual fix.

Here's some ideas!

1: Make nullsec worthwhile. Work on anomalies, make anoms that require effort (not an orbiting droneboat!) and give greater rewards. NOTE: this doesn't mean nerf the hell out of existing things like has been done before, it means making new things.
2: You want to give small gangs a goal in nullsec other than getting kills? Make some sort of special deadspace mission you start in NPC null and end in a random spot in sov null. Fluff it as supplying the resident rats with stuff to kill the sov holders.
3: You want more battles for sov? Just make null more valuable. See #1.

In short: If you're really going ahead with this? Just don't bother. Just reduce all ratting bounties by 5% and save the item database from being bloated further by 1 more object that will see no use. I totally understand that Superfriends might be disappointed by the feedback their new thing is getting, but that's life. I've worked on projects for clients and poured my heart and soul into it, and the client's thrown it back in my team's face. It happens, the best answer is to learn from it, listen to feedback and just move on.

I guess one answer to that question would be: "To prevent hostile interceptors from deploying an OP drag bubble with "idiot magnet" attached to it"