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I am going to laugh at this because it deserves it.
A single ship can steal all the isk the ESS contains so that makes a single ship just as much of a threat as a fleet.

This is a nullsec roaming nulified ceptor pilots dream

By "discerning the threat" to probably mean look at local to see if a lone ceptor is going to be waiting for you at the EES or a 20 man fleet.

I applaud any feature that make PVE less attractive and increase PVP opportunities. And yes the reduction in ISK income is graat from two aspects (1) quell inflation in market and ships actually flown into PVP and (2) ensuring EVE profitiability.

Unlike some I realize that features that cause a few more people have to occasionally buy PLEX to replace ships - results in CCP being able to introduce better game play features and the less likely EVE is to die. Quit whining and pay up -- or get the hell out of our game cheapskate carebear.

This is a 5 percent BUFF to nullsec anomaly income.

I really don‘t understand the anger by nullbears in this thread.

You get a new structure which allows ratters to boost their income by 5 percent. All you need to do is deploy this structure, place a low skilled alt within operation range, and push the button once roaming gangs are reported in intel channels, or once they enter local.

Of course it takes 20 seconds for the transmission to begin. You might lose the ship in the bubble to an interceptor. If you got at least some minimal tank, your extra income is safe.

In the beginning roaming gangs might shoot your ESS, but soon they might realize that it‘s not worth bothering at all. Because if nullbear pushes the button frequently, it‘s no fun at all to shoot a 400mm plated magnate and a battleship tanked ESS for a million bucks.

Also you don‘t have to keep ESS up all day long. You can deploy it when you start ratting, and scoop it to your cargohold an hour later, when you stop ratting.

I really don‘t get it. Nullbears place dozens of large warp disruptors (T1 and even T2) at gates. I have seen gates in 0.0 with so many warp disruptors, you could buy a marauder for this sum of ISK. So why care about a single 30m structure? Ridiculous.

My problem with ESS is of a different nature: I don‘t like the way it is operated. Instead of a single transaction I would prefer a gas station approach: the longer somebody tries to steal ISK from it, the more ISK he gets. For example: ESS has stored 100 million ISK, I warp to it, start "hacking", then I get one transaction (or tag, whatever) for every x seconds. For example 1 million ISK in 10 seconds. It would take a longer time to deplete the ISK pool. This would allow for defenders to form a defense fleet. At the same time it would allow the attackers to better find the "pain point" of the defenders, and force a reaction.

This is only an example. Obviously you would have to find the right formula. Maybe the structure would have to boost income much more, in order to make it attractive. And maybe this should even be a permanent feature of the iHub, not a deployable. I don‘t know.

But what I do know is that the rage in this thread is silly. It‘s a 5 percent income boost for nullbears, for god‘s sake!

…or you could simply kill the carrier with your 10 dudes roaming fleet. Instead of this ridiculously complicated maneuver. What a silly idea. Then again, you‘re a PL dude. Cyno, hotdrop, supercarriers – that‘s your game.

I like the creativity in the idea. Instead of a base nerf or buff, a mechanic is introduced. Meaning it can be both depending on the player(s).


In general I dont like this messing with nullsec bounties. I believe it will lead to more of us switching to incursions and less targets for hunting gangs.

I think I may have a handle on the process that spawned this trash idea.

*tinfoil*

9 Months ago (pre-interceptors online and pre-warp speed changes)

CCP: Hey, we have an idea to make it so you have to fight for a percentage of what you earn in null.

CSM: OK, seems cool, but null residents wouldn't like it...maybe you should add a way of increasing rewards, so the residents can come a little bit closer to hi-sec income levels?

CCP: Alrighty then, let's make it like the i-hub upgrades that we promised to iterate on, it will gradually make you more isk

CSM: Wait, so anyone can warp to and take from this thing? How will that work? Won't it be too easy for people to run in and scoop your hard work?

CCP: Fair Point. OK, we'll put a bubble around the thing and make it so there's a system-wide notification when someone lands on it. Oh, and make whoever is trying to steal the things wait 40 seconds. That's plenty of time to dock your battleship and go out and fight for it....right?

CSM: Sounds good, it's not as though battleships take almost a minute just to accelerate and decelerate, or interceptors are immune to bubbles or anything...

*/tinfoil*

I'd really like to know if this feature was indeed discussed at the summer summit. If it was, and got shelved, did team superfriends/CCP really think that tacking all these extra conditions onto a flawed concept was going to make it work?

I'd like to reiterate from a previous post: If this wasn't the idea that got shelved, what could possibly have been worse?

Well I can see some fun with this.

I am in a smart bombing BS cloaked off of ESS. An interceptor comes in ratting system and warps to ESS hoping to get some free tags.

I uncloak when he lands & smart bomb him back home.

The ess resets every time you empty it....it takes 1 person 6+ hours to get it back to 5% extra. A few people ccp said it will take about 30mins or so...you dont get the bonus from the rats until the bonus ticks up already. So it will never be a 5% boost. Not to mention having to empty it often because you know reds roam through your space all the time. Plus that alt you are wasting to watch the ess could be use to rat...earning double instead of 5% more.

There is no reason to ever use this. As a roamer why waste 30m on a unit that no one will come to fight you over...only after you have already left will they deal with this.

If ccp is gonna do this make it so every sec gets this upgrade so everyone gets equally annoyed. Otherwise it would just be better to nerf anoms by 5% and forget this idea ever existed, because that's all this module is doing anyway.

This is a gross misunderstanding of the issue. The main issue being that EVE doesn't just have null sec rats. As with the 1st anomaly nerf, the most probably outcome is more people choosing safer space to make isk in rather than being in null getting shafted for 5 to 20% of their income. This is bad because having people in null being targets is so much better for the game than having those some people running missions and incursions in safety.

I'm already in high sec to make my isk because null is a lot of hassle for not much more reward. I had hope CCP would give us something to make null attractive to folks like me (people would would rather pve in null but who have high sec alts to avoid the potential interruptions of null pve).

But instead we're getting a double whammy, the Nestor (whose availability in high sec means even higher for sisters LP as people buy it instead of the probes/proble launcers and virtue implants etc etc ) and a whacked out ESS module that amounts to an across the board nerf to null sec and only null sec (at least for now).

Whatever ccp does i'll live with it, but this is seriously stupid.