Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It was a given that they would spawn in all zones, and that Concord would be non-existent.

Holy moly...I had never seen that image.
Yeah, that would be a perfect screen shot of what this could look like.

But... why would training grounds for newbs be safe from pvp? Wouldn't that be the opposite of training?

EDIT: Oh wait, You were talking about starter systems only... I still don't get it tbh.

I understand the concept of making things easier, as a learning area, for new players. I am mainly a high sec player, so that should be right in my wheel house.

But I think the idea of creating a zone with different conditions, and different anom's, than the original one, is asking a lot of CCP.
Walk first, don't run.

If CCP buys into the concept at all, get the zone working. Keep tweaking it on Sisi, and likely TQ, until it is working as well as it can. Then look to add an easier zone for new player systems.

my thinking was that in the 1.0 training systems the loot available would eb tuned to make it less worthwhile for the older players, the environmental difficulties would be exactly the same. However on the other hand if they are just the same as anywhere else it'll be all the more enticing to the new starters...

edit: thinking back to when I started I can imagine just how happy I would have been if I had gotten to run away from something like that with a chunk of morphite :D Treat 'em mean and keep 'em keen...

This video was one of the reasons I re-subbed. I was slightly disappointed when exploration turned out to look nothing like it was depicted in the video. This is EXACTLY what these non-scannable areas should look / feel like.

simple answer: Project Managers...

could put the zones in almost every system, base the difficulty off the sec status, and keep the newbies out by adding a navigation skill that requires other skills such as Acceleration control to 4 as a pre req that's just for these zones, like propulsion stabilization. which reduces the effects of nebula eddy's that push pilots out of a nebula.

then for nebula's that are corrosive to a hull/shield add a skill that negates that effect which also has high requirements to train.
Similar to skill "Armor layering" for worm whole mass.

would also like to see people drop off local when they go in as well, could make some interesting hiding places for high sec wars.

If there must be warping, require cynos (but disruption due to the cloud prevents lock-on from other systems, or even outside a thousand km or so) as navigational beacons. Anyone within range to see it could warp to it, so the risk of warping is that you're letting the enemy know where you are. Bookmarks should be useless. On a related note, every system has a huge navigational beacon that should be lockable even under disruption-- the sun: You can take the easy way out, but it's likely camped. E-warp shouldn't work; you'd just disappear after a timer.

On the subject of small grids and such, I don't see why. Simply cull any object more than a certain distance from the overview and visible space (maybe factor in the size of the object for the range) and don't mess with the interaction grids (they're dynamically created anyway, so I don't see how your idea would work well). You could also have a distance where objects show up generically, because they aren't fully identified: frigate, cruiser, structure, debris, etc., though that would of course be harder to implement.

As for dealing with the vastness and finding the goodies, perhaps use that (currently) useless thing that pops up when you jump into system to show nearby signals (again, range limited), but you can never scan them down; it just shows the general direction to travel. Perhaps if there's enough player ship mass on the same grid, it would show up as a sig if you're close enough.

As for local, such communications use quantum entanglement, so I don't see any lore friendly reason that you would suddenly disconnect from the system communication hub.

because of CSM support I am more then willing to bump this for further . . .likes i guess.