Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You pump money into every month either through your subscription or through your consumption of a PLEX. You don't understand how fungible assets work in an economy.

Also, I never said I supported the OP's idea. You made that assumption (as did many others). A person can make a point which may happen to support or defend someone else's idea without in fact agreeing with them. A community that doesn't allow that isn't being honest.

I see some merit to the OP, but I don't think it fixes any sort of problem. I don't think new players leave for this reason. I think people who want alts to do specific things for them would use this feature and perhaps wish it were around, but new players I think need time to grow in a normal MMO/RPG fasion and accelerating that won't help them learn the game. Of course some people would like it and it could help retain some players, but probably just as many would do it and then be turned off by all of a sudden needing to sell a second PLEX to be able to buy that battleship they just got skills for, or be pissed when that battleship gets blown up because they put a stupid fit on it. In fact for truly new players the negative may out weight any positive. At most I would support being able to spend a PLEX to double the SP gain rate for a max of 3 months per character life, which is somewhat like what the OP's idea has turned into over all these pages. I might suggest preventing a player from doing this within the first 30 days (players at that time already have those boosters to use anyway).

So im just clarifying your position . . . youre saying dumping a bunch of SP into the game out of nowhere wouldnt cause the current SP in the game to be worth less?

youre saying it wouldnt be any less rare or special to have a 100 million SP toon after this change?

I just want to clarify that is the assertion you're making because if so, you're the one who needs econ 101 . . . actually forget econ, just consider going back to math 990

Not sure if trolling... or...

But if not, then.

a) CCP will never, ever, ever, never, nope, nopedy nope nope nope, never evar do this.

b) There is no issue here that needs solving, new players progression in eve has been shortened and refined to a fairly good degree, it's in a balance now, not to fast as to make alts too powerful to quick for an experienced player and not to long for a new player to be frustrated with not being relevant. Within a month a new player can fly a t1 frig at nearly 95% efficiency of that of an older player, some practice and they can do fine.

c) It creates many many more problems as to never be worth it.

Anyway done with this thread, got done laughing bout 5 minutes ago, nothing more to laugh at and any arbitrary response from you will probably not be worth my time.

This is entirely pay to win. This would break the fundamentals of the game. The anticipation of logging in to a new skill or building up to a new ship is the best experience. Maybe you have just become abrupt to the fact that players in eve don't dig their wallets in deep to get in a marauder. This is instant gratification.

If time is precious, you should not play a game built on the idea of growing a character in a chartered map with the new discoveries lore wise like wormholes and new ship development.

Plex is a way for people who do not have money out of game that are typically struck in the rather poor economy, or would rather not spend it on a game, to play the game. Raising the prices of plex by theoretically allowing people to say jump into capitals first hand and have NO IDEA what they are doing. Tbh that would be nice to kill off more scrubs.

TL;DR. This idea has been dug up over and over for years so my new and brilliant idea is to put it to rest.
P.s. That means quit bitching, train skills.

Pay-to-win is never good. Ever. (I even have serious problems with PLEX). What IS good is regularly examining game mechanics that simply aren't compelling, immersive or fun. So let me highjack this ancient argument for a sec and ask this: what's really the main annoyance most of us have with EVE's skill system? My #1 pet peeve is the idea that higher levels of skills take exponentially longer to learn. That's never made sense to me even from a wild sci-fi perspective. I think that it would be a lot better if the EVE skill advancement curve was flattened out a little. Ultimately this would mean less time to maxing a skill - I would say +15-20% faster at each skill level would be about right. To be fair you would need to pay back the veterans who did it the hard way. How to do that? Relatively simple: you calculate the amount of SP they would have saved under the new system and give it back to them. Who doesn't love logging in after a major update or expansion and seeing loose SP you can do anything with? Another thing I've always wished is that some portion of your SP could be gained via actually using skills. I admit that I've only got a few ideas about how this might be done and they might add a good bit of overhead to the servers. Still, I would love to see it implemented somehow. For example, imagine if for every 1000m of ore you mine you get +1 SP towards the specialized mining skill for that ore. If you didn't actually have the skill injected those SP would be instantly applied when you DID finally gain that skill. So say you've been sitting 24/7 in a Retriever mining Veld for a week and then you get Veldspar Processing. Well, you might instantly shoot halfway to level 2 as a result of your on-the-job training. (Yes I'm guessing here..I could be way off regarding how much SP you'd have by then so adjust the numbers to fit the outcome.) I don't see it being very unbalanced and it adds some flavor to the game and rewards specialization.

Only because it's likely to be true. Your ideas don't really help new players. I disagree with your claims that all new players that leave do so because they're not progressing fast enough. Most people I know that started playing the game and left did so because it's not the game for them and wouldn't have been even if they could buy SP.

The only times I hear the people I know who play the game complain about the speed of progression is when creating alts. I haven't heard a single person complain that on their first character (usually their main) they had any issues with the speed of progression.

That's why I think you're being disingenuous. That's why I think your agenda is for alts, not new players.

As I said, only a cool story because it's likely to be true. I notice you didn't refute it.

Plex price increase not not help CCP. For god sake.. why people think ccp care on the price of ANYTHIGN in isk? They nEED US$ not ISK. They ahve infinite ISK, Isk is not what they use to pay their bank loans!!!

IF they do what you suggest, then the metagame woudl collapse ocmpeltely. Unless you limit to 1 months per year.... or somethign like that.

Well No, this is a bad idea.

Having gone the long way to getting a lot of SP you learn very quickly it isn't the number of SP you have it is how you use the training time, and with changes to ships over the last 2 years you don't need to have frigate lv5, tech 2 or tech 3 ships to take part in PVP and be effective. Also officer fit ships die just as fast as t2 fit ships with the right fleet attacking, you clearly have a misconception of how Eve works, the game is generally too balanced so having all skills at lv5 isn't as much as an advantage as you might think getting an extra 3 to 5 % isn't going to necessary mean the difference between you wining or losing (but some times it might).

Maybe a better way is doing away with attribute implants and the attribute system all together and have a fixed number of skill points allocated per day that would at least equalise everyone's training. It also means that if you don't have the attributes set correctly you don't lose valuable training time like you do now. Implant slots 1 to 5 then could be used for more combat implants so when you get podded it will be just as bigger loss as if you had those expensive +5 implants .

Why not allow someone to use PLEX to buy the ability to train two skills at the same time? Make it so there are as few as two disciplines, ships, and not ships. Maybe three, ships, industry, and social. Or break it down into many, ships, weapons, defense, support, mining, manufacturing, etc. Then make it so you can't train skills in the same discipline. Limit it to only one extra skill training queue and given that you would have to balance your stats it wouldn't be exactly double speed either.

seconded

have u seen the amount of newer players that fund expensive ships and fittings with plexes and then dnt have the foggiest what they are doing? u learn a lot in that grind for isk.

the 'worthless' period ur referring to, other ppl use that time to learn.