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WARDEC Cost for a Single Character - How Much Would You Pay?
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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#1 - 2014-01-15 04:32:47 UTC
If you could wardec anyone in EVE even if they are in a NPC corp, how much would you be willing to pay per week? Corpmates not affected, week-long duel timer.

I would say 2 bil.
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#2 - 2014-01-15 04:34:44 UTC
It'd be cheaper to gank.

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#3 - 2014-01-15 05:00:32 UTC
Erufen Rito wrote:
It'd be cheaper to gank.


Does 2 to 70 mil if ganking solo, 250 to 500 mil if ganking pimped mission runners and 500 to 700 mil if ganking freighters sound about right?

I'll take your answer as max ~700 mil.
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#4 - 2014-01-15 05:13:25 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:
It'd be cheaper to gank.


Does 2 to 70 mil if ganking solo, 250 to 500 mil if ganking pimped mission runners and 500 to 700 mil if ganking freighters sound about right?

I'll take your answer as max ~700 mil.

Or take my answer as "it's cheaper to gank" Since you know, that is my answer.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#5 - 2014-01-15 05:44:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Mara Pahrdi
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
If you could wardec anyone in EVE even if they are in a NPC corp, how much would you be willing to pay per week? Corpmates not affected, week-long duel timer.

I would say 2 bil.

Players will just create more alts to evade this.

Remove standings and insurance.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#6 - 2014-01-15 05:54:21 UTC
Erufen Rito wrote:

Or take my answer as "it's cheaper to gank" Since you know, that is my answer.

Mara Pahrdi wrote:

Players will just create more alts to evade this.


Both your answers would be wrong if the cost was be 0.01 ISK.

I suggest actually answering the question if you bother typing a reply.
Erufen Rito
The Dark Space Initiative
Scary Wormhole People
#7 - 2014-01-15 06:08:53 UTC
Maybe ask a question worth answering.

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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#8 - 2014-01-15 06:15:08 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Erufen Rito wrote:

Or take my answer as "it's cheaper to gank" Since you know, that is my answer.

Mara Pahrdi wrote:

Players will just create more alts to evade this.


Both your answers would be wrong if the cost was be 0.01 ISK.

I suggest actually answering the question if you bother typing a reply.

Ok. I'd pay 0 isk.

Say you wardec one of my freighter toons (most of them would be in npc corps), I'd find ways to evade you by just transferring the cargo to another toon and sit in station for a week. I'd know how to do it so you cannot track it. Or contract my stuff to Red Frog, switch into a cheap clone and ship and fly around leisurely doing whatever seems the thing of the moment. Why bother losing stuff.

So if you wardec a toon in a npc corp, the player will just switch to another unaffected toon and evade your wardec.

You wasted the 2b you proposed in you op and he laughs at you.

Remove standings and insurance.
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#9 - 2014-01-15 06:27:08 UTC
Nothing, because it wouldn't be a war dec.

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#10 - 2014-01-15 06:30:09 UTC
Wars are between corporations. Constantly targeting a specific individual is griefing and I suspect would come down on the wrong side of a GM ruling.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#11 - 2014-01-15 06:41:22 UTC
Mara Pahrdi wrote:

Ok. I'd pay 0 isk.

Say you wardec one of my freighter toons (most of them would be in npc corps), I'd find ways to evade you by just transferring the cargo to another toon and sit in station for a week. I'd know how to do it so you cannot track it. Or contract my stuff to Red Frog, switch into a cheap clone and ship and fly around leisurely doing whatever seems the thing of the moment. Why bother losing stuff.

So if you wardec a toon in a npc corp, the player will just switch to another unaffected toon and evade your wardec.


Not everyone can just summon an exact duplicate of their wardecced character. Naturally, the cheaper it would be, the more careless you could get with that mechanic if it existed.

Mara Pahrdi wrote:

You wasted the 2b you proposed in you op and he laughs at you.


2 bil would be the absolute max I personally would pay, not what I think the cost should be (assuming I was extremely confident 1 week was enough to catch said player and inflict more than 2 bil of damage).
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#12 - 2014-01-15 06:45:07 UTC
Sentient Blade wrote:
Wars are between corporations. Constantly targeting a specific individual is griefing and I suspect would come down on the wrong side of a GM ruling.


But I can constantly suicide gank a target at my expense... what would be the difference besides actually giving the player a heads up?
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#13 - 2014-01-15 06:49:23 UTC
Cipher Jones wrote:
Nothing, because it wouldn't be a war dec.


You're right; I would only care about the ISK leaving my wallet, not what it's called.
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#14 - 2014-01-15 06:59:06 UTC
Erufen Rito wrote:
Maybe ask a question worth answering.


I did and you answered.
Omar Alharazaad
New Eden Tech Support
#15 - 2014-01-15 07:02:50 UTC
While it's a neat idea to have a "Vendetta" style mechanic implemented, and something I would like to see, I don't think it would be without it's downside. Instituting such a thing would remove the safe haven aspect of npc corps and as such could drive away portions of the playerbase who rely on them.

Pricing might have an impact of how widespread the usage of such a mechanic is employed, but that's also a sticky subject... make it too high and the spacerich will be able to target the plebs that annoy them with impunity, make it too low and the cost becomes meaningless. Perhaps adding in the qualifier that you need to have a pre-existing killright on an individual before you can use this to extend it might help balance things...

Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
Sentient Blade
Crisis Atmosphere
Coalition of the Unfortunate
#16 - 2014-01-15 07:19:01 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But I can constantly suicide gank a target at my expense... what would be the difference besides actually giving the player a heads up?


I believe there's many references on these forums to how GMs state that if a person takes action to evade, moving to an NPC corp, moving to a different part of space, then (eventually) if you're constantly hunting them, it will be considered harassment.

I believe it was in reference to miner bumping / ganking.
Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
#17 - 2014-01-15 07:19:08 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Mara Pahrdi wrote:

Ok. I'd pay 0 isk.

Say you wardec one of my freighter toons (most of them would be in npc corps), I'd find ways to evade you by just transferring the cargo to another toon and sit in station for a week. I'd know how to do it so you cannot track it. Or contract my stuff to Red Frog, switch into a cheap clone and ship and fly around leisurely doing whatever seems the thing of the moment. Why bother losing stuff.

So if you wardec a toon in a npc corp, the player will just switch to another unaffected toon and evade your wardec.


Not everyone can just summon an exact duplicate of their wardecced character.

Hence my first comment. Such a mechanic would only further the creation of more alts in order to enable players to easier evade this kind of wardecs.

Not that CCP would complain about it. Lol

Remove standings and insurance.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#18 - 2014-01-15 07:30:15 UTC
If you wardec a player, chances are they will just blueball you because they see it coming.


If you simply gank a player...they NEVER see it coming Big smile.

Do you know how many catalysts 2 bil would buy....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#19 - 2014-01-15 07:57:38 UTC
Anti-grief feature is that the wardec cost will be paid to the victim... wonder how many will use the feature then...

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Julius Rigel
#20 - 2014-01-15 08:21:54 UTC
I wouldn't pay for that. It makes no sense, undermines the entire mechanism of corporations, and like current systems already in the game would be both a) very easy to evade, by simply staying docked or playing a different character, and b) not particularly useful, since if you only want to shoot at one particular target, you just do it, GCC be damned.

On the other hand, if you could wardec so-called "NPC" corps, that would be something worth paying a large sum of money for. In fact, this would very much improve and strengthen "corporations" as a mechanism, and could possibly go one step in the direction of solving the "too many chieftains" problem that exists in the game today.

But... you know... FAID is that way. ->

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