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Race/ bloodline change

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#1 - 2014-01-14 19:33:28 UTC
So, many of you might not know this, but EVE has a feature that lets you do a full resculpture of your character at the cost of 1 plex. And while most of you probably don’t care, there are still a few people who have used that feature and netted CCP some extra cash. But why not expand it to include the possibility to change race/bloodline? Or maybe have it as a separate feature with a higher price (I would gladly pay 2 plex for it). It could probably also include gender change. Now that we didn’t get to see the Racial blending as I was really hoping for, this might be a good alternative.

These things will be purely cosmetic and will not affect the gameplay in any ways. I believe that it will be somewhat simple to implement and it has potential to gain some extra income at a low investment. It can be a big help for people who buys characters and wants to be able to customize the look of their char. It can also be a help for people who regret their choices when they initially made their char and it will especially be a help for us who picked the Vherokior bloodline before the new character creator and then got shafted.

So what do you think? As it doesn’t affect the gameplay, I see absolutely no reason to not implement it unless it takes too many resources. But honestly I do not think it will be that problematic to implement and correct me if I am wrong, but most of the technology might already be in the game as private characters of CCP employees already gets new names and complete makeover if they get their identity compromised.

And yes, there are people in this game who care about WiS and characters.

-Miz

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Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2014-01-14 19:51:32 UTC
No........CCP has more pressing needs to focus on.
Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#3 - 2014-01-14 20:43:29 UTC
Thead Enco wrote:
No........CCP has more pressing needs to focus on.


Sure they have, but they cannot work on it every man. And if they do not expand on small things as well, the game will just die out. This suggestion isn't a big thing that requires many manhours and it will even earn them a little bit extra money. Sure, it might just be a little group of players who cares about avatar gameplay. But that doesn't mean that they should just forego all developement on that area. Judging by how well the sleeve tattoos sold, there are many people in this game who cares about how their char looks. And even you got the eyepatch.

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ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#4 - 2014-01-14 20:51:00 UTC
Thread has been moved to Features & Ideas Discussion.

Races and bloodlines have been part of Eve from the start, and they used to have a significant effect on gameplay. In my experience as a developer, this might be a case in which an obsolete might have unseen implications if you try to change the way it works or remove it. In most cases, obsolete features like this are left "dangling", the way races/bloodlines are now. Aside from no longer providing the bonuses they used to, they work the same as they ever did -- without the ability to change them.

tl;dr: Your friendly neighborhood ISD speculates that it might not be as simple to do this as you think, same as it is very difficult to enable character switching without logging off.

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Arline Kley
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#5 - 2014-01-14 21:55:22 UTC
Another fact to consider is this: if a capsuleer can change their face/racial background on a whim, what would happen to all the CONCORD security systems in place? Granted, while it is possible to change certain records, parts of it are historical to that particular line of that race; a capsuleer that is born a Khanid with a historical lineage of Cyber Knightery would find it very hard to become something like a Brutor who held their cultural beliefs close to their chest.

Also, would it still be your character? Yes, you own/control them, but what about how you think of them? One day you are fighting for the Gallente against the Caldari, the next you are a Amarrian fighting for the Blood Raiders. For me, personally, it would become very confusing very quickly; Am I a freedom fighter, or am a I heretic? A Warrior of Iron or one of the Digital Battlefield?

as ISD LackofFaith (you better watch your morning Coffee fyi) pointed out, from the software background point having someone dance the merry dance of character selection is pretty difficult to begin with - throwing in character changes of this nature will only add to the issues and will probably be more of a hinderence than a help

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Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2014-01-14 22:27:23 UTC
Races and blood lines provide nothing in the way of game play altering mechanics. The only justification to keep them unchanged is to punish players for mistakes they made when first playing or creating a character. Every other system in eve allows players to expand upon or correct mistakes. I vote yes on the ability to re sculpt your race.

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Mizhir
Devara Biotech
#7 - 2014-01-14 23:44:12 UTC
@Arline

While I do repect the roleplaying perspective, there are still many aspects of this game that doesn't make sense RP wise. And people can already go from fighting 1 side to fighting the other one. Why should changing the look be such a great deal? Your characters story is what you define, so why should it be a problem to change it? Sure, among people who are very serious about RPing it does not make any sense, but they would know that this feature isn't somethign they should use.

Miz would still be my char as much as she was before. You can already do radical changes with the recustomization option, but no matter what I do with it, my char will still look ****** up because the Vherokior bloodline looks very very bad. I hate the look we got from the new character creator and it is very different from the orignal look my char had. The look I picked, the look that suited my char's story. That doesn't really make sense from RP point of view either.

Also, is it really such a big deal to change the a char's race? Relogging chars is something that is built into the fundamental part of the gameclient, but I believe that the race and the look of a char are just some values in a database. Since it is already possible to do a full resculpture, is it really that big of a deal?

@Digital

Well, the problem is that if I knew how the Vherokior bloodline would look with the new look, then I would never have picked that bloodline. So it shoots down the argument about punishing for mistakes as I chose something different than what I ended up with.

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Jaz Antollare
SovNarKom.
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2014-01-15 00:03:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaz Antollare
3 plex and you can change your gender!

4 plex and you can change the gender of somebody else!
Erica Dusette
Division 13
#9 - 2014-01-15 00:12:06 UTC
I support your idea. Big smile

And on that note - name changes, gender, etc. I think opening up all of these for Plex-purchase would be great. There are some folks who would spend money in that area (such as me).

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Commissar Kate
Kesukka
#10 - 2014-01-15 00:47:53 UTC
While I have no desire to change my race its still a good idea for people that want to and perhaps generate a bit of extra cash for CCP.

And I still want to see the racial blending the OP mentioned.
Kryptik Kai
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#11 - 2014-01-15 02:41:00 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
I support your idea. Big smile

And on that note - name changes, gender, etc. I think opening up all of these for Plex-purchase would be great. There are some folks who would spend money in that area (such as me).

Name changes would probably be a bridge too far because of the removal of consequences for your actions (i.e. reputation).

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Kryptik Kai
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#12 - 2014-01-15 02:42:17 UTC
Oh also,

/signed

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Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#13 - 2014-01-15 04:53:16 UTC
If I can get this same hair as a Gallentean maybe...or maybe I can make do with Intaki...hmmm

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#14 - 2014-01-15 04:58:44 UTC
Digital Messiah wrote:
Races and blood lines provide nothing in the way of game play altering mechanics. The only justification to keep them unchanged is to punish players for mistakes they made when first playing or creating a character. Every other system in eve allows players to expand upon or correct mistakes. I vote yes on the ability to re sculpt your race.


the only mistakes were back when every one and their mother rolled archura for the instant level 5 skills and super high int/mem remaps but since that is not an issue anymore its not a problem.

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Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#15 - 2014-01-15 05:00:08 UTC
Jaz Antollare wrote:
3 plex and you can change your gender!

4 plex and you can change the gender of somebody else!


no cause it would be used to troll people.. case and point would be super rich entity's purposely changing the gender of certain other people in other nullsec entities.

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Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2014-01-15 05:01:34 UTC
I would be ok with cosmetic and background changes, but names have meaning and need to stay attached to a character.
Matokin Lemant
#17 - 2014-01-15 05:03:05 UTC
Mizhir wrote:
So, many of you might not know this, but EVE has a feature that lets you do a full resculpture of your character at the cost of 1 plex. And while most of you probably don’t care, there are still a few people who have used that feature and netted CCP some extra cash. But why not expand it to include the possibility to change race/bloodline? Or maybe have it as a separate feature with a higher price (I would gladly pay 2 plex for it). It could probably also include gender change. Now that we didn’t get to see the Racial blending as I was really hoping for, this might be a good alternative.

These things will be purely cosmetic and will not affect the gameplay in any ways. I believe that it will be somewhat simple to implement and it has potential to gain some extra income at a low investment. It can be a big help for people who buys characters and wants to be able to customize the look of their char. It can also be a help for people who regret their choices when they initially made their char and it will especially be a help for us who picked the Vherokior bloodline before the new character creator and then got shafted.

So what do you think? As it doesn’t affect the gameplay, I see absolutely no reason to not implement it unless it takes too many resources. But honestly I do not think it will be that problematic to implement and correct me if I am wrong, but most of the technology might already be in the game as private characters of CCP employees already gets new names and complete makeover if they get their identity compromised.

And yes, there are people in this game who care about WiS and characters.

-Miz


Supported but I will also chime in and say I dont think the name change is such a good idea...but the rest 100% behind Smile
Seranova Farreach
Biomass Negative
#18 - 2014-01-15 05:04:07 UTC
i would like tattos and different hair.. so maybe introduce some "tokens" not plex which can be redeemed in game for certain services related to the region of space you are in.

eg. token+winmatar space = facial tattoos or hair

eg token+gallente space = their facial tattoos or hair

repeatable so you can get both hair and tattoos if you got enough tokens, and as for the tokens make them like the AUR tokens and NOT the old PLEX -> AUR exchange fiasco it once was, this way plex market stays vaguely balanced which keeps people in the game who pay with ingame cash for their accounts

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#19 - 2014-01-15 05:44:19 UTC
When I first started the only way to make a black toon (<--- see?) was to be Minmatar. This is because CCP is based out of Iceland and, as everyone knows, Iceland isn't actually a real country. Anyway, I wanted to play Amarr so I was in a bit of bind. I was very lucky, then, that the Ammatar were already in the game's lore as it gave me a valid RP angle to do what I wanted anyway.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#20 - 2014-01-15 06:27:47 UTC
Kryptik Kai wrote:
Erica Dusette wrote:
I support your idea. Big smile

And on that note - name changes, gender, etc. I think opening up all of these for Plex-purchase would be great. There are some folks who would spend money in that area (such as me).

Name changes would probably be a bridge too far because of the removal of consequences for your actions (i.e. reputation).

(And also @ the other posts critical of name changes).

I can totally see where you're coming from. I guess it would really depend how it was done - characters listed by their ID# rather than their name for example, and things like a visible name-change history.

Just ideas (and off-topic with the original idea anyway), but worth a thought perhaps. Plenty of other games have such a function for name changing, so it's not unusual or the end of the world. But then again EVE isn't those games of course. Smile

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