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I can only assume the intention behind this deployable is another step in forcing every 0.0 resident to pay up for a second account or buy PLEX to multitrain a highsec money making alt.

ESS? More like ESS Aitch Eye Tee.

Why do empires pay bounties in nullsec anyway? Why would an empire pay to protect space that is controled by no one or worse - controled by a capsuleer corp that is hostile to empire interests anyway? If anyone was paying it should be any capsuleer corp who has sov. What a sorry excuse for a social engineering game mechanic. But then again, EVE is full of those.

what ever happened to Features and Ideas Discussion?

it seems like the only devs who actually use this forum are fozzie and rise.

when they come up with an idea they post thier thoughts and let a discussion about the feature...

but all the other teams pretty much just read the forum come up with an idea they think is neat run it by the csm and then just make a dev blog and put it in the game...

i am not saying its a bad way to devlop it sure does save time... but what it does do is not include the player base in the discussion wich leads to half assed idea of the new deployable.

if you had made a thread and put the ideas out for vetting we would have pointed out all the problems and helped iterate on the idea.

what i would have done is made the new deloyable give not isk for tags but tags that can be traded for items that can be sold...

perhaps something for contruction of something for new items that can be made...

that way there is no extra isk faucet but an extra way to make people in 0.0 make isk from existing isk already in game.

i do like the idea of having extra stuff to fight over i just wished that more then two devs used Features and ideas and had open disuccions with the player base to come up with stuff that will make all parties happy.

DBL POST BECAUSE IDEA IS SO TERRIBLE.

4. move to high sec and do incursions/soe missions, FW farming, cosmos farming without having to worry abuot this crap.

But don't worry CCP, I'm sure the income you'll lose will be less than 5% of what you make. Which apparently is the percentage you're perfectly fine with simply arbitrarily eliminating for us.

Its a 30m isk structure. 105% ratting @ 60m/hr (Ishtar - hub) = 10 hours of -full- bonus ratting to pay back the cost of the stupid structure if it gets blown up, and in order to leave it running at full bonus, I'd have to let 150m isk build up in the thing.

If I don't let 150m isk build up in the thing, then I keep doing overhead tasks (warp to pos, reship to interceptor, warp to structure, wait doing nothing for a timer), that bring the net effect of the structure back down to nil benefit over the base 95%

ie if I don't leave giant piles of isk in it, then it will probably have to survive 100 hours (of ratting, not elapsed 100 hours) to make -any- isk.

The idea of the ESS is not bad but the current execution is awful.

Firstly the risk reward is completely messed up. As others have pointed out any roaming interceptor can empty out the ESS in under half a minute at no risk to themselves. Even roamers not in an interceptor can probably do this as the ratters scramble to get their ships to safety. With the reward being only a maximum of 5% it is simply not worth risking 20% of your ratting income.

A less significant issue as its basically a social problem is that they will probably lead to many diplomatic incidents as people "accidentally" steal other blues income. For this reason there is a good chance many organizations will simply ban them

Due to the aforementioned mess up of the risk reward mechanic this represents a nerf to nullsec income. With nullsec income already below faction warfare income and insufficiently rewarding compared to high sec for the additional risk this represents further damage to an already insufficiently rewarding area of the game.

The cost of the deployable is too high for it too function as a harassment tool, if you bring a small group or one person you will be killed by the residents, who will destroy your ESS. If you bring a large group then the residents will safe up, not rat (thereby earning you no isk), wait for you to go, and then kill your ESS. There is no way you will ever come close to making back your investment using this as a harassment tool.

Ratters will not use this because the risk reward is terrible and its a unworthwhile hassle. Roamers will not use this because they will never recoup their investment.

Furthermore the whole get tags that you cash in back in highsec is a very questionable choice. CCP has talked many times about trying to make nullsec less reliant on high sec, this forces you to return to high sec. As someone else also pointed out, the tags don't make it necessary for you to be careful getting out safely because on the off chance anyone actually uses these they will be exclusively robbed by interceptors, who cannot be caught barring a major fuckup.

There are ways to make this work, increasing the reward factor is the most simple one. But really all of the numbers need to be rethought. One attractive option would be to radically increase the reward provided by the ESS but make it so it takes all bounties and can only be emptied every half hour or so. In addition it could broadcast its location across the surrounding region. This would necessitate it be defended and encourage small gangs to try to engage and rob them. Holy Hell! look how easy it is to add co-operative game play and small gang opportunities to null sec.

The current implementation is terrible, look at it again and redo the figures.

Let me get this right.
You want a deployable that anyone can warp to and see my name with how much isk i've made?
Would you like to deploy a mail box that everyone can read my personal sex chats too?

I wont even waste my time on all the fail that this thing has but it has more worthless mechanics than my local pep-boys.

On their own, I don't mind the mechanics. Certainly respect the effort to introduce more pvp conflict drivers. But using poorly thought out lore to justify arbitrary game design will likely result in a contradictory mess. Every time you guys do this you kill the story of New Eden a little, and weaken the IP. Hope you hire more writers soon and get back to delivering strong backstory with expansions.