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Gallente-Caldari Relations, Are They Improving?

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Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#61 - 2014-01-14 00:08:41 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The fact is that as long as the signatory nations decide the war is worth the money, there will be militia freelancers willing to collect it.

Money is the sinew of war. Shut off the money and end the war.

And yet you choose. While I understand your point is practical and I mine theoretical. An individual makes a choice. I choose to kill for politics or for money. Do I kill or do I not.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#62 - 2014-01-14 02:25:01 UTC
Peace is a noble goal, but don't forget the Caldari 34th Rule of Business. I'm sure Roden hasn't, that's for sure.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0

Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#63 - 2014-01-14 02:35:53 UTC
I don't know Rule 34. Is there a Rule 34?
James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#64 - 2014-01-14 03:11:40 UTC
Mr. Stane I don't know if I should welcome you to IGS or not, considering what you will surly experience.

But to business.

Your effort is laudable but hopeless.

Many early in their careers have pined for peace.

Including myself.

Peace you see is too hard and has only "speculative" champions.

Best to become cynical early.
Jace Sarice
#65 - 2014-01-14 03:58:26 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The fact is that as long as the signatory nations decide the war is worth the money, there will be militia freelancers willing to collect it.

Money is the sinew of war. Shut off the money and end the war.

And yet you choose. While I understand your point is practical and I mine theoretical. An individual makes a choice. I choose to kill for politics or for money. Do I kill or do I not.


The discussion was not about whether someone should or should not fight in a militia. It was whether or not the proxy wars could be stopped by those involved in the fighting. Switching the topic once several people responded to your absurd assertions does not help your cause.
Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#66 - 2014-01-14 08:09:32 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
I don't know Rule 34. Is there a Rule 34?


"If it exists, there's profit to be made off it."

At least that's what a certain Intaki told me a couple weeks ago. I'm not the one to endorse racial stereotypes, mind you.
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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#67 - 2014-01-14 10:02:46 UTC
Leopold Caine wrote:
Scherezad wrote:
I don't know Rule 34. Is there a Rule 34?


"If it exists, there's profit to be made off it."

At least that's what a certain Intaki told me a couple weeks ago. I'm not the one to endorse racial stereotypes, mind you.


Hey! I resemble that remark!

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#68 - 2014-01-14 17:20:04 UTC
Scherezad wrote:
I don't know Rule 34. Is there a Rule 34?


The 34th rule of business is that War is good for business. The 35th rule, of course, is that Peace is good for business - but that one gets forgotten a lot, lately.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#69 - 2014-01-14 19:11:46 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
The fact is that as long as the signatory nations decide the war is worth the money, there will be militia freelancers willing to collect it.

Money is the sinew of war. Shut off the money and end the war.

And yet you choose. While I understand your point is practical and I mine theoretical. An individual makes a choice. I choose to kill for politics or for money. Do I kill or do I not.


The discussion was not about whether someone should or should not fight in a militia. It was whether or not the proxy wars could be stopped by those involved in the fighting. Switching the topic once several people responded to your absurd assertions does not help your cause.

I was unaware that I had a cause. I will endeavor to make my point less opaque. If no one fights there will be no war.
Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#70 - 2014-01-14 19:24:53 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Mr. Stane I don't know if I should welcome you to IGS or not, considering what you will surly experience.

Thank you for your advise, both here and elsewhere. The information you directed me to was very useful and the profiles on certain personalities gave me an incite into their motivations.
James Syagrius wrote:
Your effort is laudable but hopeless .

I appreciate your perspective but I feel my participation in this discussion isn't completed.
James Syagrius wrote:
Many early in their careers have pined for peace. Including myself. Peace you see is too hard and has only "speculative" champions. Best to become cynical early.

I would ask if yours and Mr Tuulinens sentiments as expressed in other forums regarding peace have changed?
Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#71 - 2014-01-14 22:50:14 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
James Syagrius wrote:
Mr. Stane I don't know if I should welcome you to IGS or not, considering what you will surly experience.

Thank you for your advise, both here and elsewhere. The information you directed me to was very useful and the profiles on certain personalities gave me an incite into their motivations.
James Syagrius wrote:
Your effort is laudable but hopeless .

I appreciate your perspective but I feel my participation in this discussion isn't completed.
James Syagrius wrote:
Many early in their careers have pined for peace. Including myself. Peace you see is too hard and has only "speculative" champions. Best to become cynical early.

I would ask if yours and Mr Tuulinens sentiments as expressed in other forums regarding peace have changed?


I don't think that the problem is that capsuleers don't want peace, unfortunately. Plenty of us think there are better uses of us as resources than unending legislated warfare. The problem is that the factional warfare isn't something the capsuleers started and certainly won't be something we can finish with a handshake. Even if someone managed to take over the whole of the warzone for their people, it would never be safe so long as the treaties that make that war stand continue.

You're simply talking to the wrong people. It would be like telling a battle line sergeant that he needed to end the warfare. It isn't in capsuleer hands to make those regions safe(r) for travel.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2014-01-14 23:44:36 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:
I would ask if yours and Mr Tuulinens sentiments as expressed in other forums regarding peace have changed?


I hesitate to speak for Msr Sygarius, but I would wager that both of us are as keen as ever to see peace. Sadly we are also realists who understand that those driving the Forever War do not share that desire.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

James Syagrius
Luminaire Sovereign Solutions
#73 - 2014-01-15 01:19:27 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:
I would ask if yours and Mr Tuulinens sentiments as expressed in other forums regarding peace have changed?

I hesitate to speak for Msr Sygarius, but I would wager that both of us are as keen as ever to see peace. Sadly we are also realists who understand that those driving the Forever War do not share that desire.

Mr. Stane.

We must seem very cynical and jaded to you.

But this is a road long traveled.

I hear from our mutual acquaintances that you are a moral man with an ethical center lacking in many of your capsuleer kin, including I regret to say, myself.

Don't become discouraged, but don't assume that the theoretical will ever vanquish the practical.

Peace will come in its own time.

Oh and for what its worth Pieter, you are one of two Caldari, loyal to the State, that need never "hesitate" to speak for me.
Scherezad
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#74 - 2014-01-15 01:44:58 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:
I would ask if yours and Mr Tuulinens sentiments as expressed in other forums regarding peace have changed?

I hesitate to speak for Msr Sygarius, but I would wager that both of us are as keen as ever to see peace. Sadly we are also realists who understand that those driving the Forever War do not share that desire.

Mr. Stane.

We must seem very cynical and jaded to you.

But this is a road long traveled.

I hear from our mutual acquaintances that you are a moral man with an ethical center lacking in many of your capsuleer kin, including I regret to say, myself.

Don't become discouraged, but don't assume that the theoretical will ever vanquish the practical.

Peace will come in its own time.

Oh and for what its worth Pieter, you are one of two Caldari, loyal to the State, that need never "hesitate" to speak for me.

I'm quite curious, sir, if I may - don't feel obliged.

Who is the other?
Anslo
Scope Works
#75 - 2014-01-15 02:43:20 UTC
James Syagrius wrote:
We must seem very cynical and jaded to you.

There's an easy solution for this feeling by the by...

Stop caring.

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Jace Sarice
#76 - 2014-01-15 03:48:24 UTC
Ailer Stane wrote:

If no one fights there will be no war.


This point has been addressed already by several people here. Congratulations on becoming entirely inane with your repetition.
Iwan Terpalen
Doomheim
#77 - 2014-01-15 22:25:19 UTC
First peasant to figure out how to beat his plowshare into a sword, eh.
Ailer Stane
Doomheim
#78 - 2014-01-15 22:51:07 UTC
Jace Sarice wrote:
Ailer Stane wrote:

If no one fights there will be no war.


This point has been addressed already by several people here. Congratulations on becoming entirely inane with your repetition.

Repetition is a proven method of training for those who cannot be taught.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#79 - 2014-01-15 23:01:08 UTC
Let me boil it down to it's simplest terms...

Your appeal will remove only the patriots from the warzone - those who care about the reputations of their respective militias. Those with a vested interest in maintaining the law of arms and interstellar law. It will leave in place those who fight solely for the money - in effect making a bad situation infinitely worse.

Moreover the presence of those mercenary elements demands the presence of patriot elements to secure and protect the interests of their countrymen.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#80 - 2014-01-15 23:36:12 UTC
So, how about the patriots from both sides shake hands and fight those that bring death to your kin for money alone?