Player Features and Ideas Discussion

SP would never mean less and less until it is worthless. It would always be worth a high percentage of the isk required to create it just as it is now. It might be worth slightly less on a toon in the character bazaar (just as it is now) but at some point people are going to save that difference by buying a toon with the SP they want in the bazaar and deal with the derpy name rather than waste money just to have their "own" toon.

What I believe will go up is the price of a PLEX in terms of Isk. This of course can be controlled by increasing the supply (CCP can lower the $$ cost).

This is Econ 101 so you can spare me the lecture that apparently makes yourself feel better next time.

because its actually not the same, just wonder why someone would ask for a thing and then, back it up with the stupid argument that it already exists, in the same time.

It already exists for the truly space rich. They can buy whatever SP they require in the character bazaar.

The reason more people do not take advantage of the Bazaar is that they have grown to identify with their toons and want to see them grow (the basic principle of all MMOs).

What I proposed (and since heavily modified from feedback) is the ability to modestly tailor your existing toon to make core level 5 skills more easily attainable. Rather than CCP simply lowering training times (ie give them for free) I proposed having to earn the PLEX or cash which would on the face of things would seem a win for CCP.

About the best feedback on that has been that "if you can do it, everyone will and you will gain nothing" which I would counter with "If I had (such and such skill) then farming iskies would be less of a chore and I would spend more time having fun.

People have countered that with "then the value of mining/missioning/lp/pvp" will simply inflate in proportion and nothing will change.

This may be true for some professions and deserves consideration. But that can also be balanced with limiting the amount and the areas that the SP could be put into so that there are not 1000's of Industry Tycoons born overnight.

I've just read through this thread again and it's quite interesting. The OP obviously doesn't see the big picture. He and the few who are like him are utterly outnumbered by those that can see precisely why CCP have chosen to make the SP system as it is and thus there are several factors which when added together mean that the OPs request will never happen.

1) CCP don't want to do it. If they did, they'd have already done it because it's been suggested many many times and on paper, ignoring all the complicated nuances regarding the knock on effects of this change, it does appear to be a money spinner for CCP. Luckily, CCP can (like most of the players) see why this is a totally stupid idea, obviously.

2) The majority of players don't want it to be done. If CCP did this they'd have another revolt on their hands. They know where their revenue comes from and it's predominantly from the long term players, not from new blood. New blood is great and all but the loss of the long term players will hurt CCP badly and immediately, as has been proven.

3) CCP chose this method for skill progression. It's been working for 10 years. As far as I remember not one of the CCP employees has deigned to comment on any of these "SP for Plex/RL$" threads. I suspect it's because they're never intending to do it and really couldn't give a crap about the fools who demand that they do.

All in all, no more arguement is needed. This thread, like every similar one before it, will disappear into the thread pile that is the F&I forum and within days be forgotten by everyone who wrote in it.

I wish you good luck in your endeavours to get SP for PLEX, Dr Sraggles. Many better than you have tried and all have failed so I don't rate your chances but like a duelist who knows his opponent is blind and carrying a banana instead of a pistol I'm going to wish you good luck.

Fly safe o/

Cool story bro. Tell it again. When you do, remember that this is the internet and anyone can make up any kind of story they want about reality in order to make themselves look/feel more puffed-up and important.

Also remember that nobody actually cares about your real life - except maybe for me, and then only insofar as to point out that it's useless rhetoric which can only serve as a poor attempt to derail and/or distract.

You have virtually no support for this idea and yet you continue to shout that you are correct and the rest of us are wrong. You've even gone past that point, mocking and insulting and demeaning the people who disagree with you. Our replies are not about limiting debate, though you might try to use that as a way to attack us for our dissent. It's about telling you that this idea, to be quite blunt, sucks hairy ram genitalia and also about your refusal to accept that you might not have been as clever as you thought you were.

I'm not trying to say that CCP shouldn't or don't take good ideas from the player base. In fact they do. They just don't take terribly bad ideas. Yours is a terribly bad idea. Thus it won't get added to the game.

All that, and you don't know the difference between goals reached through normal game play in groups and Pay to Win?

Your idea is to bypass normal game play and gives instant SP, but as yet you've failed to demonstrate way this is needed. You have also failed to address the following concerns.

It breaks character trading.
It removes the consequence of planning and long term training.
It favours those with wealth, over those without.

I could go on, but I have a feeling you still won't get it.

Okay, let's try this.



You want to get skillpoints for PLEX, because the idea of spending time to get the skills is something you don't agree with. So, essentially, you disagree with the time-investment aspect of EvE. Okay.


Imagine it gets put in. A precedent has now been set. A way of not just mitigating, but ignoring the time investment has come into being. The player base demands more. After all, it has been introduced once, it can be expanded.

So, what else would you like to remove the time investment from?


Let's see. Moon mining and reactions, yes they take a pesky amount of time, let's have PLEX for reactions! Titans! Those cheeky little buggers, taking so long to build, let's have PLEX for Supercap Proliferation! Capturing sov space! How dare I have to wait for SBU's and TCU's and reinforcement timers, pass me the PLEX young Timmy, it's time for PLEX for Obscene Sov Wars!


Is your feature needed by anything other than your impatience, will your feature have any negative fallout to anyone other than yourself, will it add anything positive to the game?

Hal.

Hal,

This is just a Straw Man argument equating things obviously extreme with a modest proposal. We have already discussed limiting the SP you could buy and potentially what skills it could be applied to as moderation of the OP.

Player retention is a huge problem for this game. What are your ideas to improve that?

We can debate how best to do this but I can speak from experience watching friends try it and drop out. They all complained that you suck ass for months in this game doing the dullest PvE imaginable before you have enough SP to really have fun.

How do you propose to improve the new player experience?

something that will make 98% of the playerbase quit?
eve featured on web sites as the top line **** of p2w game?
WHY THE HELL NOT!!

this is what op had been pondering while he pressed the post button.
I refuse to believe this guy isn't a troll, no one is that stupid but then again people like this amaze me all the time! 8 pages and he still doesn't get it, he ain't getting it!!!