Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The only way skill Points wise I could see helping new players and not killing the PLEX system, is to give the new players 1 or 2 mil SP after their first 30 days.

I say after the first 30 days so they will have an Idea of how to use it.

OP Summary: I want instant skillpoints and I wish to hide my desire for instant gratification under the guise of helping noobies. Even though my proposal ironically benefits older and richer players exponentially more.

Actually, everyone gave a rats ass about that lottery you are referring to, and it was removed from said lottery.
T2 BPO lottery was a terrible thing, most people agree on that, the only reason they still exist is because T2 BPO removal is even worse potentially to investors. Since how do you follow the money train fairly. If I paid a billion for it, do I get it all back, what about the person who sold it, do they loose a billion? etc etc.

However, SP for Plex. Already exists, it's called a months skill time. Instant SP for Plex? Hell no.

Respondents Summary:

"I got mine and don't want anyone to be able to quickly have as many SP as me. I do better Industry/Mining/PvP/PvE than people that don't have as many SP as I do and I want it to stay that way."


News Flash:

Eve is a tiny, no MINUSCULE game among online MMOs. The largest single reason for that is the months and months it take to create an effective toon. New players in general simply do not have a year to wait before they feel truly competitive in small gang pvp and can fly more than a t1 fit rifter.

I am quite impressed with the venom with which many defend a game that on it's busiest days has 50,000 players. Big games that are true successes have hundreds of times the number of players that also play it for years and years. Eve is not perfect. It is a good game that could be great but for some very clunky game mechanics not the least of which is the impossibility of improving your toon other than simply the passage of a very long time.

OP I applaud you for your epic troll that has now hit almost 6 pages. Strategically ignoring well thought out posts and examples, hitting veterans of the game in soft squishy spots that effect 'feelings'. 9.5/10

On the off chance that you are actually illiterate and have failed to read the logical posts, please re-read the entire thread and address the real issues of your proposal.

- How are you going to stop veteran players from using there already substantial amounts of isk to buy up the plex market in game in the first hours after the announcement of the change? This would inflate the price of plex and remove a significant amount of players from the game within months.

- Using ISBoxer a player can control many accounts at the same time, performing the same action, CCP has not deemed this against the EULA. What is stopping a rich player from making an army of alts and 'solo' pvp you with dozens of similarly named characters? While this can happen now, not many people want to put the time or effort into putting dozens of toons in the same ships with the same skills.

- Lets say I'm a new player. I download the game, buy 100 mil skill points (approx. 720 dollars) at this point I have effectively maxed out my skills for pvp. I buy a shiny fit faction battleship looking for a fight, and end up getting concorded or ganked because I don't understand the game mechanics. And the losses will continue until I quit or learn the very hard way. How do you address this?

If you can give me well thought out, and good answers to these three simple questions/scenario's, I will support your idea.

I invite you, convince me you're right, ignore this post and you're just another dirty troll and I'll request a thread lock.

Edit: After a bit more research I find that you are beginning to grasp the basics of pvp and losec life and piracy. Your fitting skills could be addressed, and it seems like you have found a good group that you like to fly with. If you aren't a troll, I would suggest asking someone to be your mentor you're not a noob, you are an apprentice of the game and like any craft it'll take years to master EVE. In the meantime your skills will grow and every experience you have will teach you something new. Even 'Bitter-vets' learn something new about EVE quite often.

Learn to enjoy the experience of the slow-play, it's much more rewarding.

In condemning EVE for having a small playerbase, OP demonstrates he is unaware of the old adage "quality over quantity".

EVE is not small because of skill training. It is small because it is very niche, because it is not as casual as those larger games, because it doesn't have the same "everyone gets a cookie" mechanics that the great unwashed masses get so angry without. It does not hold your hand, it does not solve the problem for you, it does not do a great many things that industry wisdom says your game must have, must do, must be if you want it to be this year's biggest blockbuster mega-hit.

It does not - and should not - appeal to everyone.

Nothing worthy would appeal to everyone, I grant you. Appealing to only 50,000 people on planet Earth is not really appealing to *anyone* when that is a fraction of 1% of the gaming population.

I say stop defending a status quo and try to broaden the appeal of this game. Why? Because I think it is an *amazing game* based on it's minimal system requirements. It will run on a basic internet appliance and is probably coming to a smart phone near you soon.

Nope. Wrong!

In the character bazaar you are buying a character that has developed those skills over time. With buying skills you are simply giving CCP $$$ to magically create extra skill-points instantly and inject them into the game universe. This creates a very bad president.

Also, FYI, i dont agree with having a Character bazaar anyway. However I see it as a necessary evil.

I think we're getting to the root issue of why you think this is ok. You dont really understand the concept of economics.

Its just like buying a PLEX and selling it for ISK. When you do that no ISK is created, it's just transferred from one player to another, and these player transfers follow the laws of supply and demand, the price changes on a daily basis. This is called an open market.

Now imagine with me if CCP came out and said "we're implementing a new program, you pay us $20 and we'll give you 750,000,000 ISK" Well they would have to spawn it into the game to do that, and at first I imagine this would go very well for them; they would see several people shelling out the cash to make this happen, but over time as more and more ISK was just dumped into the system haphazardly, inflation would begin to show. Having a billion ISK would mean less and less because everyone has a billion ISK, soon prices would start to rise everywhere across new eden because the ISK has begun to lose its buying power. Soon the $20 for 750 million looks like a bad deal because even day 1 noobs have that after doing some mining. This is called inflation

See when someone buys a character from the character bazaar, no additional SP are created. This means that if say tomorrow 50,000 people all wanted new characters, the price would go up because there is a limited supply.

What you want would be for CCP to give you SP when you spend a PLEX which is an entirely different thing. CCP would have to essentially spawn new SP into the game and give it to you out of nowhere. This means that SP is slightly more common every time you do that. This would make SP worth less and less until it was worthless.

All that being said, you're probably just going to ignore this post or somehow ignorantly justify you way around it because you want to continue to believe what you want to believe without regards for logic or facts.

nope.
new chars going instantly from 0 to 100m SP is no good for this game.