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Ability to batphone Concord in highsec

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2014-01-13 13:40:41 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
I know people who simply use an alt to shoot their ship with a noob ship and spawn concord in the belt. So this is already being done in a sense. If they haven't figured it out yet...oh well.


That would be a bannable exploit. If you truly know people doing this then I suggest you report them. On the other hand, pre-spawning CONCORD away from your target to buy yourself an extra 6 seconds to pull off a gank is perfectly legal. This is what leads me to believe that CCP is actually still cool.

this only means that CCP is catering to weak players who want to be BAD but can't deal with consequences

Haedonism Bot wrote:

CONCORD has been buffed so many times over the years that one more CONCORD buff/ganking nerf will only make more gankers unsub. The people who quit EVE because they were ganked are not suited for this game anyway, and no tears should be shed for them.

agree
however money are still money, and if we lose player CCP loses money


Demonstrate how many players we are losing due to ganks, and demonstrate that CCP don't have access to data on server numbers to make judgement calls for themselves on whether or not people are unsubbing at a damaging rate, and maybe, MAYBE you'll be able to play the "EVE is dying because unsubs" card and be taken seriously.

1. CCP does not give such data to public
2. You targeted some other person because i have never played this card

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-01-13 16:24:49 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
This should be easy.
I been reading a lot of waa waa in the forums about players making alot of isk ganking everything in highsec with throw away destroyers.

I'm a ganker myself and love the tears.
But i think we really are losing subscribers to it.

So if we had the mechanic to call concord for a fee of a limited time if 5 minutes and a 15 minute cooldown (Or whatever would be a good balance) so if a player feels nervous they could do this and pay for a certain tier of concord protection to Ninja Cyno onto grid (Spawn)
So concord will pre spawn and be ongrid to insta lock anything that goes flashy on your grid like they do already once they are ongrid.
yea it will still be possible to insta pop the guy who called concord but it will take alot more and alot more organization.
Because in the instance's me and my friends have tried to gank hulks in highsec with concord already there it was ALOT harder but possible.



Why is your solution "what can concord do about it" instead of "what can I do about it"?


Technically, he would be doing something if he had to pay ISK for a CONDORD spawn. Set the price at the appropriate level and it could potentially nerf the relative income of some high-sec player while also burning some ISK out of the economy.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#23 - 2014-01-13 16:30:02 UTC
March rabbit wrote:

1. CCP does not give such data to public
2. You targeted some other person because i have never played this card


1. So what are you talking about
2. Yes you did

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Alduin666 Shikkoken
Doomheim
#24 - 2014-01-13 16:40:47 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
I'm a ganker myself and love the tears.
But i think we really are losing subscribers to it.


One of these is a lie.

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March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2014-01-13 16:42:12 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

1. CCP does not give such data to public
2. You targeted some other person because i have never played this card


1. So what are you talking about
2. Yes you did

1. reading comprehension
2. reading comprehension

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Vira'li
A Place in Time and Space
#26 - 2014-01-13 16:48:47 UTC
How about instead of CONCORD showing up you can get an item off of the LP store with certain factions that will spawn some of their peeps instead of CONCORD. The ones that spawn from this would have to have no bounty and would drop nothing if destroyed. Also we wouldn't be talking about BS or even BC level of support from the corp you got the item from. Cruisers and smaller would be all the showed up.

HOWEVER as this is EvE and not some other game that can't cut it in the PvP department, this item would be make you an even bigger target than the Monocle did when it was released.

Current way of dealing with problems > anything else
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#27 - 2014-01-13 16:49:21 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
March rabbit wrote:

1. CCP does not give such data to public
2. You targeted some other person because i have never played this card


1. So what are you talking about
2. Yes you did

1. reading comprehension
2. reading comprehension


Yes, you have none


No need to repeat yourself

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Thead Enco
Thunderwaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2014-01-13 17:11:49 UTC
I hear "DSCAN" works wonders.......
Lugalbandak
Doomheim
#29 - 2014-01-13 17:59:08 UTC
Adamski flipflop wrote:
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
This should be easy.
I been reading a lot of waa waa in the forums about players making alot of isk ganking everything in highsec with throw away destroyers.

I'm a ganker myself and love the tears.
But i think we really are losing subscribers to it.

So if we had the mechanic to call concord for a fee of a limited time if 5 minutes and a 15 minute cooldown (Or whatever would be a good balance) so if a player feels nervous they could do this and pay for a certain tier of concord protection to Ninja Cyno onto grid (Spawn)
So concord will pre spawn and be ongrid to insta lock anything that goes flashy on your grid like they do already once they are ongrid.
yea it will still be possible to insta pop the guy who called concord but it will take alot more and alot more organization.
Because in the instance's me and my friends have tried to gank hulks in highsec with concord already there it was ALOT harder but possible.




send in 2 bait catalysts to kill freighter he deploys concord protection, send in the rest of the catalysts after its over kill freighter.

I like the way you think. Its so annoying to have to spend 10m per gank catalyst


lol well said

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2014-01-13 18:23:05 UTC
I'm in favour,
with the caveat that its actually called the Bat-Phone

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ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2014-01-13 18:26:09 UTC  |  Edited by: ElQuirko
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
I'm a ganker myself and love the tears.



Bull.

Sh*t.

And here's the evidence:
Silence iKillYouu wrote:

Because in the instance's me and my friends have tried to gank hulks in highsec with concord already there it was ALOT harder but possible.

Dodixie > Hek
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-01-13 18:35:37 UTC
This is an excellent idea. I think two times the cost of the user's ship would be appropriate, and concord should take normal pre-spawned response time + 20 seconds to arrive. I would love to hear the tears about wasted isk when gankers pull them before the gank!

Real answer: Player control over concord should be kept to a minimum, Suiciding noobships is already too m

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interesangt
Perkone
Caldari State
#33 - 2014-01-13 19:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: interesangt
Or just level the playfield by making ganking more uncommon.. Say 48h timer were everybody can shoot the ganker, and concord shoots them.. Will at least make the profession a bit less exploited. If 48h aint enough, dubble it
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#34 - 2014-01-13 19:17:14 UTC
interesangt wrote:
Or just level the playfield



It is level

Its just not slanted in the anyone's favour that is annoying people

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#35 - 2014-01-13 19:57:47 UTC
I have a slight modification for the OP's idea. You can only call Concord if an unsanctioned attack is in progress, but Concord ONLY comes if they are called, instead of coming automatically. If you are AFK, no Concord response for you.

I'm sure botters could also bot calling Concord if they are under attack, but that is one more automated keystroke for CCP's software to discover them by.
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2014-01-13 21:20:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Digital Messiah
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
I know people who simply use an alt to shoot their ship with a noob ship and spawn concord in the belt. So this is already being done in a sense. If they haven't figured it out yet...oh well.


Is this against the eula or abuse of a game mechanic?

Also, don't fly it if you can't afford to lose it. With that being said, the cost of rent is to damn high! The time it takes to pay off a barge compared to other ships is actually quite bad. So yes it is harmful to new players without access to other ventures of income. I imagine the guy who mines in a frig to afford a barge and gets it blown up that same day without the skills or tools to exact revenge might quit. Though that is in part their learning experience as is a majority of the players these days.

I still do not see the point in automating all other forms of material acquisition while keeping mining a semi afk red box grind. They have the interface to stream line belt farming into pi extraction of ore. Perhaps after 10 years, it is time to update with other fast pace aspects of eve.

Something clever
ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#37 - 2014-01-13 23:39:12 UTC
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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#38 - 2014-01-14 00:11:41 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
So what I keep hearing is some baffling combination of the following, despite that they're mutually exclusive:

Ganking apparently makes people (miners) quit.

But apparently those same people still quit anyway because highsec is a fairly boring place.

...

Are we freaking serious here? Just get out of highsec now and then and start having fun, jeez.


And here we see they stereotypical EvE egoist mentality that is deliberately oblivious to how their shiny spaceships are built in the first place and soapboxes the Official Credo of the MMO Egomaniac: "The way I like to play is the only right way to play, and if you don't like to do exactly the same things I do then you're just doing everything wrong."

If there is anything more common than AFK miners, it's this guy.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
TehCloud
Guardians of the Dodixie
#39 - 2014-01-14 01:51:44 UTC
CONCORD is the consequence, not a guard.
You want CONCORD to be already present, suicide an alt on yourself.

My Condor costs less than that module!
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#40 - 2014-01-14 08:07:55 UTC
Posting in a stealth "nerf highsec income" thread.

CCP has said in the past that suicide ganking in highsec is a large part of what keeps it balanced. Take that away and you have to take away income too.
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