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Ability to batphone Concord in highsec

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Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#1 - 2014-01-13 08:49:29 UTC
This should be easy.
I been reading a lot of waa waa in the forums about players making alot of isk ganking everything in highsec with throw away destroyers.

I'm a ganker myself and love the tears.
But i think we really are losing subscribers to it.

So if we had the mechanic to call concord for a fee of a limited time if 5 minutes and a 15 minute cooldown (Or whatever would be a good balance) so if a player feels nervous they could do this and pay for a certain tier of concord protection to Ninja Cyno onto grid (Spawn)
So concord will pre spawn and be ongrid to insta lock anything that goes flashy on your grid like they do already once they are ongrid.
yea it will still be possible to insta pop the guy who called concord but it will take alot more and alot more organization.
Because in the instance's me and my friends have tried to gank hulks in highsec with concord already there it was ALOT harder but possible.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#2 - 2014-01-13 08:58:43 UTC
Viable, but there would need to be a mechanism in place to keep it from being abused, for example:

1) Only once per X hours (4, 12, 24)

2) Costs ISK, with the cost going up as security level decreases.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#3 - 2014-01-13 09:01:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
I'll just join the no crowd up front.

Players already have all of the tools available to defend themselves. No need to buff Concord and have them available as a private, time-limited security service.

They punish, not protect.
Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
#4 - 2014-01-13 09:05:46 UTC
I know people who simply use an alt to shoot their ship with a noob ship and spawn concord in the belt. So this is already being done in a sense. If they haven't figured it out yet...oh well.
Silence iKillYouu
Girls Lie But Zkill Doesn't
Pandemic Legion
#5 - 2014-01-13 09:07:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Silence iKillYouu
what can players do to defend against suicide gankers?

they cant warp because the warp in ship for the gank squad is bumping their alignment.
they cant watch local and leave because the warp in ship is cloaked next to them ready to bump it when the fleet is one jump away.
they cant shoot because concord will pop them.
Katran Luftschreck wrote:
Viable, but there would need to be a mechanism in place to keep it from being abused, for example:

1) Only once per X hours (4, 12, 24)

2) Costs ISK, with the cost going up as security level decreases.

I agree that it should cost isk 100%
And maybe a skill that affects the "cooldown time"

Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
I know people who simply use an alt to shoot their ship with a noob ship and spawn concord in the belt. So this is already being done in a sense. If they haven't figured it out yet...oh well.

yea good point i see it alot.
This idea will just add content to the game tho. maybe a item and skillbook to.

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Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#6 - 2014-01-13 09:27:04 UTC
Wardecs are the game mechanism that let's people throw ISK at CONCORD to make them look the other way, so I don't see anything unfair about letting people throw ISK at CONCORD to make them pay more attention.

http://youtu.be/t0q2F8NsYQ0
Mythrandier
Solace Corp
#7 - 2014-01-13 09:28:54 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
what can players do to defend against suicide gankers?



Fit a tank, dont fly a t1 indy with 2bil in the hold, fly with friends in logi, pay attention, safe logoff if someone tries to bump you away from the gateand last but but no means least dont freaking autopilot.

Did I miss any?



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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#8 - 2014-01-13 09:33:15 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
they cant shoot because concord will pop them.


This is where you are totally wrong.

They exactly can shoot. They don't lack the tools to do so, only the conviction to stand up to the gankers by ganking back.

Also, they are only Concordekkened if they shoot first.

They can also as a preference, tank their ships for better survival so the gankers don't kill them before Concord shows up.

They can put gankers on their contact watch list and set them to bad or terrible standings so they'll see when the gankers enter system; and when they do, warp off and dock up until the system is clear.

There are many ways for a player to avoid combat if they want too.

Unfortunately most of them don't do the basic things that are possible and they make it easy for the gankers to kill them.
Julius Rigel
#9 - 2014-01-13 09:40:06 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
yea it will still be possible to insta pop the guy who called concord but it will take alot more and alot more organization.
How is it any more difficult to instapop a ship while there are CONCORD ship on grid? Instapop is instapop, its name suggests it happens instantly.

Additionally, why not leave this task to players (you know those pesky little bracket thingies that you sometimes come across on overview which seem to have a mind of their own)? Once you aggress, you're fair game for everyone, not just CONCORD. EVE is a game, don't reduce agency.

P.S.
Please please please take the necessary thirty seconds to consider what you're doing when starting a new topic. For one, all discussion of ideas and suggestions related to potential and existing features is supposed to go in FAID.

If you are aware of this, and you somehow feel like your feature idea isn't thorough enough to meet the standards of FAID, maybe that's an indication that you need to work a little more on improving your idea. Think about writing a more detailed description of the circumstances surrounding the area of the game your feature affects, a very detailed and specific description of your idea - it doesn't hurt to include illustrations, interface diagrams, specific suggestions, in this case for example how many CONCORD ships would spawn, exactly how much it would cost, where in the interface you would access this feature, and so on. We're not all mind readers, you have to make this information come out of your brain so that we can access it.

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#10 - 2014-01-13 10:20:31 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:

I'm a ganker myself and love the tears. But i think we really are losing subscribers to it.


Interesting. I read an article about the subscription base yesterday on Eve News and it seems to me that this kind of thing really limits the potential subscriber base. There's almost nothing CCP can do to change that fact without making high sec a gank-free zone. But of course if they're also trying to make high sec as uninteresting as possible at the same time, not many people are going to subscribe to play there for long.

I've actually had a problem with this since day 1 (I literally mean day 1). And although it has grown from it's 3k peak to 30k, it's unlikely to grow much more than that.

There's no solution. It's just a limitation of the model.
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#11 - 2014-01-13 12:30:30 UTC
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
I know people who simply use an alt to shoot their ship with a noob ship and spawn concord in the belt. So this is already being done in a sense. If they haven't figured it out yet...oh well.


That would be a bannable exploit. If you truly know people doing this then I suggest you report them. On the other hand, pre-spawning CONCORD away from your target to buy yourself an extra 6 seconds to pull off a gank is perfectly legal. This is what leads me to believe that CCP is actually still cool.

CONCORD has been buffed so many times over the years that one more CONCORD buff/ganking nerf will only make more gankers unsub. The people who quit EVE because they were ganked are not suited for this game anyway, and no tears should be shed for them.

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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#12 - 2014-01-13 12:36:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
I know people who simply use an alt to shoot their ship with a noob ship and spawn concord in the belt. So this is already being done in a sense. If they haven't figured it out yet...oh well.


That would be a bannable exploit. If you truly know people doing this then I suggest you report them. On the other hand, pre-spawning CONCORD away from your target to buy yourself an extra 6 seconds to pull off a gank is perfectly legal. This is what leads me to believe that CCP is actually still cool.

CONCORD has been buffed so many times over the years that one more CONCORD buff/ganking nerf will only make more gankers unsub. The people who quit EVE because they were ganked are not suited for this game anyway, and no tears should be shed for them.


Lol whut ? CONCORD Manipulation is perfectly fine for both pirates and miners. There should be a blue statement somewhere that's around a year old.

In my opinion, yes this is already fesible without adding a new game mechanic, but adding a legitimate mechanic that does not involve throw-away alts would be.. cleaner, to me. Also, moar isk sink ! Twisted

But you should really post this idea into the feature idea & discussion forums.

PS : Also, I never heard of gankers unsubbing because CONCORD... That's a very carebear-like attitude ! If true, they desserved it :D

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2014-01-13 12:37:13 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
This should be easy.
I been reading a lot of waa waa in the forums about players making alot of isk ganking everything in highsec with throw away destroyers.

I'm a ganker myself and love the tears.
But i think we really are losing subscribers to it.

So if we had the mechanic to call concord for a fee of a limited time if 5 minutes and a 15 minute cooldown (Or whatever would be a good balance) so if a player feels nervous they could do this and pay for a certain tier of concord protection to Ninja Cyno onto grid (Spawn)
So concord will pre spawn and be ongrid to insta lock anything that goes flashy on your grid like they do already once they are ongrid.
yea it will still be possible to insta pop the guy who called concord but it will take alot more and alot more organization.
Because in the instance's me and my friends have tried to gank hulks in highsec with concord already there it was ALOT harder but possible.



Why is your solution "what can concord do about it" instead of "what can I do about it"?

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2014-01-13 12:39:03 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
I know people who simply use an alt to shoot their ship with a noob ship and spawn concord in the belt. So this is already being done in a sense. If they haven't figured it out yet...oh well.


That would be a bannable exploit. If you truly know people doing this then I suggest you report them. On the other hand, pre-spawning CONCORD away from your target to buy yourself an extra 6 seconds to pull off a gank is perfectly legal. This is what leads me to believe that CCP is actually still cool.

this only means that CCP is catering to weak players who want to be BAD but can't deal with consequences

Haedonism Bot wrote:

CONCORD has been buffed so many times over the years that one more CONCORD buff/ganking nerf will only make more gankers unsub. The people who quit EVE because they were ganked are not suited for this game anyway, and no tears should be shed for them.

agree
however money are still money, and if we lose player CCP loses money

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Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2014-01-13 12:41:45 UTC
March rabbit wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
I know people who simply use an alt to shoot their ship with a noob ship and spawn concord in the belt. So this is already being done in a sense. If they haven't figured it out yet...oh well.


That would be a bannable exploit. If you truly know people doing this then I suggest you report them. On the other hand, pre-spawning CONCORD away from your target to buy yourself an extra 6 seconds to pull off a gank is perfectly legal. This is what leads me to believe that CCP is actually still cool.

this only means that CCP is catering to weak players who want to be BAD but can't deal with consequences

Haedonism Bot wrote:

CONCORD has been buffed so many times over the years that one more CONCORD buff/ganking nerf will only make more gankers unsub. The people who quit EVE because they were ganked are not suited for this game anyway, and no tears should be shed for them.

agree
however money are still money, and if we lose player CCP loses money


Demonstrate how many players we are losing due to ganks, and demonstrate that CCP don't have access to data on server numbers to make judgement calls for themselves on whether or not people are unsubbing at a damaging rate, and maybe, MAYBE you'll be able to play the "EVE is dying because unsubs" card and be taken seriously.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#16 - 2014-01-13 12:43:41 UTC
So what I keep hearing is some baffling combination of the following, despite that they're mutually exclusive:

Ganking apparently makes people (miners) quit.

But apparently those same people still quit anyway because highsec is a fairly boring place.

...

Are we freaking serious here? Just get out of highsec now and then and start having fun, jeez.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#17 - 2014-01-13 12:45:08 UTC
Remiel Pollard wrote:
March rabbit wrote:
Haedonism Bot wrote:
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
I know people who simply use an alt to shoot their ship with a noob ship and spawn concord in the belt. So this is already being done in a sense. If they haven't figured it out yet...oh well.


That would be a bannable exploit. If you truly know people doing this then I suggest you report them. On the other hand, pre-spawning CONCORD away from your target to buy yourself an extra 6 seconds to pull off a gank is perfectly legal. This is what leads me to believe that CCP is actually still cool.

this only means that CCP is catering to weak players who want to be BAD but can't deal with consequences

Haedonism Bot wrote:

CONCORD has been buffed so many times over the years that one more CONCORD buff/ganking nerf will only make more gankers unsub. The people who quit EVE because they were ganked are not suited for this game anyway, and no tears should be shed for them.

agree
however money are still money, and if we lose player CCP loses money


Demonstrate how many players we are losing due to ganks, and demonstrate that CCP don't have access to data on server numbers to make judgement calls for themselves on whether or not people are unsubbing at a damaging rate, and maybe, MAYBE you'll be able to play the "EVE is dying because unsubs" card and be taken seriously.


Someone needs to tell that to Ripard Teg. I have never gotten so sick of someone so quickly as I have of him. The "EVE is dying!" narrative drips off everything he says lately.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Remiel Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2014-01-13 12:56:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Remiel Pollard
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


Someone needs to tell that to Ripard Teg. I have never gotten so sick of someone so quickly as I have of him. The "EVE is dying!" narrative drips off everything he says lately.


It's been quite obvious to me for a long time now that stating "EVE is dying" is always followed by an "unless" with no other qualifier. There is no better narrative for the desperate to get their own way than that which they believe will strike the greatest motivating fear to drive their own agenda. In this case, the agenda is changes to EVE, where the only qualifier is "EVE is dying because I say so and it won't change unless you do as I say about it".

The day that CCP starts listening to players with an agenda but without the data CCP have is the day, ironically, that EVE will indeed die.

“Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.” - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Adamski flipflop
Trigger Warning.
#19 - 2014-01-13 13:09:10 UTC
Silence iKillYouu wrote:
This should be easy.
I been reading a lot of waa waa in the forums about players making alot of isk ganking everything in highsec with throw away destroyers.

I'm a ganker myself and love the tears.
But i think we really are losing subscribers to it.

So if we had the mechanic to call concord for a fee of a limited time if 5 minutes and a 15 minute cooldown (Or whatever would be a good balance) so if a player feels nervous they could do this and pay for a certain tier of concord protection to Ninja Cyno onto grid (Spawn)
So concord will pre spawn and be ongrid to insta lock anything that goes flashy on your grid like they do already once they are ongrid.
yea it will still be possible to insta pop the guy who called concord but it will take alot more and alot more organization.
Because in the instance's me and my friends have tried to gank hulks in highsec with concord already there it was ALOT harder but possible.




send in 2 bait catalysts to kill freighter he deploys concord protection, send in the rest of the catalysts after its over kill freighter.

I like the way you think. Its so annoying to have to spend 10m per gank catalyst
Sid Crash
#20 - 2014-01-13 13:14:52 UTC
OP keeps having dumb ideas tbh.
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