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So many years passed with Hulk!
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Herocles
Doomheim
#1 - 2011-09-10 10:36:50 UTC
I always thought i could ignore this but i cant anymore after so many years... im an old player ingame and in real life aswell.

i wish i could continue playing without getting abit frustrated with the progress on ship development... from CCP.

We all know Hulk is the best mining ship... "at the moment"... it's been that since it was introduced (i can't remember when it was).

Anyway, the point of this post is that "where's the progress and evolution in ship development from ORE".. when it comes to mining ship?

I hardly belive they just stopped at "Ohh we made Hulk, that's it, we're done, we have no clue how to make better mining ships"

Seems to me that when i look at newly added ships... there's not a single mining ship added after Hulk?

Aren't we "who love mining so much" worth a better mining ship than Hulk offers? Aren't we also here playing as you want too either being in PvP, building, inventing, exploring, rat hunting and more... aren't we also classified as "need better ship" discussion progress in that line as all the rest?

For myself who actually likes to mine... i cant be happy that there's absolutely NOTHING i can aim for in terms for ship skills, mining skills that isnt higher than mining with a hulk with maxed out skills and lasers.

..There's nothing...

Makes me wonder if CCP stopped belive that they can make bigger and better mining ships or even want too make new ones... i know i cant be alone to think like this after so many years stuck in a hulk.

I'm not talking about Orca's with fleet boost and all that.. it's plain simple... Why haven't ship development progress ingame for better and bigger mining ship been added since hulk?
Anna Scot
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2011-09-10 10:57:54 UTC
Orca and Rorqual is what you are looking for :D
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#3 - 2011-09-10 11:01:03 UTC
Herocles wrote:
I hardly belive they just stopped at "Ohh we made Hulk, that's it, we're done, we have no clue how to make better mining ships"
They've pretty much said that that's it. It's not that they have no clue on how to make a better one — it's that a better one isn't needed. The amount of mineral flowing into the game is already high enough, and adding more won't really be good for anyone, especially not for the miners themselves.

So, let's turn that question around: why do you need a better mining ship? What do you imagine it will do for you? What problem will it solve?
Bloody Wench
#4 - 2011-09-10 11:24:32 UTC
Like a capital version? 8 Highs +1 Drone per level 200,000 cargo. Usual Capital restrictions apply.

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Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-09-10 11:39:23 UTC
Bloody Wench wrote:
Like a capital version? 8 Highs +1 Drone per level 200,000 cargo. Usual Capital restrictions apply.



and a new module: capital rock sucker. it sucks rocks and stuff.

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Cade102
Cade Industries
#6 - 2011-09-10 11:47:34 UTC
CCP had tentative plans to make T2 ships and modules require a totally new set of minerals they could only be mined from moving comets or in a new type of anomaly mining site.

Both of these new mining methods were to based around totally new ways of mining (ie having to stay on the move to keep up with the comet and offloading into a friendly hauler or having to constantly re-scan the anomaly to keep the "rocks" on the overview) and possibly new dedicated ORE ships to fill both tasks.

And yet we are, with mining being done mostly by macro bots and we haven't even gotten a dedicted Gas miner yet, FFS!
Mcrager
C5 Flight
Fraternity.
#7 - 2011-09-10 11:47:43 UTC
Focusing time on more mining ships just doesn't make sense when there are much more pressing issues that are legitimately broken - looking at you gallente-. if you could come up with an interesting new idea that isn't just add more mining ability maybe it would be considered?
Mona X
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-09-10 11:51:40 UTC
Herocles wrote:

I'm not talking about Orca's with fleet boost and all that.. it's plain simple... Why haven't ship development progress ingame for better and bigger mining ship been added since hulk?


Because bigger and better mining ships will ultimately hurt miners.

I need new signature.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#9 - 2011-09-10 14:32:02 UTC
Mona X wrote:
Herocles wrote:

I'm not talking about Orca's with fleet boost and all that.. it's plain simple... Why haven't ship development progress ingame for better and bigger mining ship been added since hulk?


Because bigger and better mining ships will ultimately hurt miners.


This.

Remember, it's not just you that would be getting this new bigger and better mining ship, it's every other miner and every single mining bot in the game. That means that the price of minerals would go down because there'd be more being mined. This thread pops up every week or two, the answer is still the same, bigger and better mining ships will actually hurt all the miners very badly.
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#10 - 2011-09-10 18:35:19 UTC
Mining is worthless enough, we don't need another mining ship to lower mineral values even more.

Please take 10 seconds to learn basic economic theory before posting, you'll save yourself a lot of time and foolishness.
Korg Tronix
Mole Station Nursery
#11 - 2011-09-10 19:57:28 UTC
Herocles wrote:
I always thought i could ignore this but i cant anymore after so many years... im an old player ingame and in real life aswell.

i wish i could continue playing without getting abit frustrated with the progress on ship development... from CCP.

We all know Hulk is the best mining ship... "at the moment"... it's been that since it was introduced (i can't remember when it was).

Anyway, the point of this post is that "where's the progress and evolution in ship development from ORE".. when it comes to mining ship?

I hardly belive they just stopped at "Ohh we made Hulk, that's it, we're done, we have no clue how to make better mining ships"

Seems to me that when i look at newly added ships... there's not a single mining ship added after Hulk?

Aren't we "who love mining so much" worth a better mining ship than Hulk offers? Aren't we also here playing as you want too either being in PvP, building, inventing, exploring, rat hunting and more... aren't we also classified as "need better ship" discussion progress in that line as all the rest?

For myself who actually likes to mine... i cant be happy that there's absolutely NOTHING i can aim for in terms for ship skills, mining skills that isnt higher than mining with a hulk with maxed out skills and lasers.

..There's nothing...

Makes me wonder if CCP stopped belive that they can make bigger and better mining ships or even want too make new ones... i know i cant be alone to think like this after so many years stuck in a hulk.

I'm not talking about Orca's with fleet boost and all that.. it's plain simple... Why haven't ship development progress ingame for better and bigger mining ship been added since hulk?


Any increase in the amount of ore a mining ship sucks in, will lower the overall amount of isk a miner will make. There doesn't need to be anything larger than a hulk for mining.

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Eladaris
Indefinite.
#12 - 2011-09-10 20:49:15 UTC
Herocles wrote:
I hardly belive they just stopped at "Ohh we made Hulk, that's it, we're done, we have no clue how to make better mining ships"

Why haven't ship development progress ingame for better and bigger mining ship been added since hulk?


The Hulk is the end'o'the line mining ship. Nothing better ever needs to be made, it does it's job perfectly. CCP likely knows HOW to make mining ships, but they have no interest in doing so. Most of the mining community is perfectly happy with the Hulk, and only the rare outlier wants anything better.

Leave good enough alone.
iNFyza
Kenshin Industries.
Kenshin Shogunate.
#13 - 2011-09-11 08:53:15 UTC  |  Edited by: iNFyza
+1 to the op. Miners everywhere agree with you.

It is actually very sad, considering you reach the titan of mining after only 3 months.

Adding more mining ships could be very easy.

- Stealth miners which mine as quick as a hulk, but can also cloak (obviously not while mining).
- Hauler miners which can mine slower than a hulk but have larger cargo.
- Jump miners which have jump drives. Slower mining speed but added mobility.
- Blackops miners, that can jump in a group of miners and ninja mine in nullsec.

There are a lot of combinations that can be taken from the combat ships. The ships should never mine quicker than a hulk, but should serve more specific purposes. And the only reason these are needed is to give miners SOMETHING to train for (so they are not forced to cross train to anther career).
Lagruna Zegata
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2011-09-11 10:22:14 UTC
iNFyza wrote:
+1 to the op. Miners everywhere agree with you.

It is actually very sad, considering you reach the titan of mining after only 3 months.

Adding more mining ships could be very easy.

- Stealth miners which mine as quick as a hulk, but can also cloak (obviously not while mining).
- Hauler miners which can mine slower than a hulk but have larger cargo.
- Jump miners which have jump drives. Slower mining speed but added mobility.
- Blackops miners, that can jump in a group of miners and ninja mine in nullsec.

There are a lot of combinations that can be taken from the combat ships. The ships should never mine quicker than a hulk, but should serve more specific purposes. And the only reason these are needed is to give miners SOMETHING to train for (so they are not forced to cross train to anther career).



This list plus maybe a dedicated gas mining ship is a good start. Maybe even special faction mining or hauling barges with tanking or warp speed bonuses that are only available at NPC mining corp LP stores?
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#15 - 2011-09-11 11:55:11 UTC
This ship already exists, it is called the Veldatar

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Bumble's Space Log
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#16 - 2011-09-11 17:24:35 UTC
Mona X wrote:
Herocles wrote:

I'm not talking about Orca's with fleet boost and all that.. it's plain simple... Why haven't ship development progress ingame for better and bigger mining ship been added since hulk?


Because bigger and better mining ships will ultimately hurt miners.


It's not about hurting miners or giving miners more or less income, but about differentiating advanced high-SP miners from newbie low-SP miners. Currently EVE isn't doing this. Once you're in a Hulk, you're equal with any other Hulk pilot.

If a higher-SP requiring mining ship is introduced, then the overall mining ncome may well stay the same, but compared to the present situation, high-SP miners will get a larger proportion of the total EVE galaxy mining income, and low-SP miners will miss out.

... Until they catch up, that is. Even if a new higher-SP mining ship is added, that'll only be a few months of training, or at best a couple of years trainig, before all new skillz are trained to 5. The newbie low-SP miners will eventually catch up. But still, there'll be a period of time, a transitional phase, during which high-SP veteran mines will get a larger share of the pie, with the pie remaining the same size measured in ISK per month.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-09-11 18:49:18 UTC
only mining ship that needs to be created atm is a gas harvesting ship. besides that, the hulk is the be-all, end-all and it's fine like that.

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Sidus Isaacs
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-09-11 21:21:36 UTC
CCP is bussy making new wardrobes.
Zenith Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2011-09-11 21:35:18 UTC
Having larger mining ship with capital ship rules wouldn't hurt mining industry.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#20 - 2011-09-12 06:51:31 UTC
A new ship wouldn't have to mine more than a Hulk. It could still be different and be useful.

Like a hull with more tank, or fewer strips and a mining drone bonus (they are Gallente after all), etc.

Just something new would be welcomed.
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