EVE General Discussion

Obviously I'm a noob... I'll cry about that later. Bare with me if I sound like an idiot.

I've been mining for awhile, got up to Mining Barges and Ice Mining, etc. I'm running a Retriever with an OKAY fitting, etc. Doesn't matter. Point is, I'm making decent money. Well, for a noob. With my buddy in his Orca and alt in a Retriever, and his wife in a Mackinaw and her alt in a Retriever... I made about 38 million isk in about an hour or less. Of course, one person refined all the ore to make us all more money. And of course also, my monthly goal is to make enough isk to PLEX out. Ok, that said...

... I'm bored.

I have 2 accounts, a miner and this toon, who's headed for a life of killing. I have a few questions, if you don't mind:

1. Can assault roles make enough money to PLEX out every month? If so, is that purely from lucky salvages?
2. Is an assault role something you would recommend for more "fun" and "excitement"? I'm not complaining... As I've said, I'm a miner originally, so I'm used to the multitasking between mining and watch movies.
3. What assault roles are good for casual-corp participation? I've heard that joining a corps is absolutely necessary to get anywhere in the fighting aspect. So if I'm not a "hardcore" player (due to having a job), will that hurt my goal of becoming a fighter?
4. What ship class would you recommend and why? Assault Frigate, Destroyer, Cruiser, Command, etc.?
5. What are some good words of advice for a noob trying to get into fighting? Do's, don'ts, etc. Preparations to consider for future/long term goals?

And finally, I'd like to get some opinions on this too: I have 2 accounts. One account, my miner, will be due for more time in 15 days. I really only have the time and energy to focus on one. Yes, I've been handling them both. But it usually turns out to be: fill skill queues, check mail, then one toon gets the attention while the other is just training for days. Which, is simple and easy to do. But I want to master one thing, and get one toon as stable as possible. I know there's a way to do this, but I'm not sure if it's worth it... Transferring characters from accounts. So essentially, if be moving one account into the other accounts character slot. I thought about it, but it's no different lol. It's still 2 toons... Just on one account. I like my miner, he's set nice and has a good skill line up. But I can't see myself just sitting and mining for hours, just to pay for a PLEX, then the rest of the time just spent chatting in the chat box. But I also don't want to become a jerk... Meaning, a pirate. Just prey on weak, lonely miners and jack their stuff, or blow up some other noobs. Is there a profitable and co-op way (obviously with a corp) to blow people up and succeed (mean in being able to PLEX with money earned)?

Thank you ahead of time and I appreciate anyone that answers and gives me some constructive guidance into the battlefield.

O7

If you call people who actually play 'jerks', then I'm not sure you understand the game.

I can make enough to pay my accounts in less than an hour at my job, so I am not really worried about plexing my account. I used to but got tired of having to grind isk on a regular basis.

If you have the mindset to play the market, the isk is pretty good doing that. You could probably rat in nullsec about 30 minutes a day and pay for them too, especially if you get in an alliance with a good SRP to offset your PVP losses. You would want to train into an Ishtar or something similar to be able to make halfway decent isk ratting (the training for ratting is also pvp training).

The answer to your question depends on what you define as "assault roles."

There is PVE, killing NPC pirates or such:
- Level 4 missions have a fairly good payout.
- Low-sec/Null-sec/J-space NPCs have larger bounties and drop better loot. (Getting a blue or purple from a Null NPC could = big money when sold to the right market)
- Incursions supposedly make good money, even in High-sec. This is a fleet activity; co-op is absolutely mandatory.

Then there is PVP:
- Killing miners, haulers, and freighters with loot can sometimes result in you getting that loot. If you kill an idiot hauling a plex in a shuttle, and it drops, you've just plexed for that month. This is where having two accounts can come in handy: one ganks, the other is the scout/looter. After all, every account can hold 3 characters, so no one needs to know your miner has a "jerk" scout buddy next to him. Tougher targets, such as freighters, require co-op to kill. Co-op ganking/piracy is not as easy as it often looks from the target's perspective.
- Faction War is a mix of PVP and PVE, with LP for taking/defending complexes that when spent right can make profit on the market. Just know that when you join FW, you wardec half of Empire space in the process. FW can be done solo or co-op, and FW fleets are not unheard of. There are entire corps dedicated to it, dependant on which militia you wish to fight under.
- If you choose to reap the rewards of J-space (aka W-space, wormhole space, etc.), then you will need to be able to not only kill the much more potent rats, but also PVP to defend your right to stay and operate in that system. There are no stations out there, so you need to be in a corp to have a POS to base out of long-term.

While learneing general PVP, stick to small T1 hulls. They're cheapest and thus you can afford to lose more over the course of figuring things out.

In Before New Order:

1. Stop AFK mining. Yes, I know mining is boring in and of itself; and there have been plenty of suggestions over the years to make it not suck balls. Still, AFK/Alt-Tabbed mining leads to AFK/Alt-Tabbed exploding.
2. Throw 10m isk at somebody. To keep the NO from attacking you, it's generally a good idea to then put that bit about supporting them in the bio so they know at a glance you're good, and also do #1.
2-A. Alternatively, evade the New Order whenever they come for you. #1 is required for this, as is coordination with your friend and his wife to keep together or regroup in the new system to get back to mining.
3. Tank up your ships. The more HP and damage resistances, the better. Since your friend has an Orca, you can probably forego to extra ore hold of the Retriever and get Procurers for yourself and his wife. Those things can easily soak up 60,000+ damage with T1 shield resistance modules and rigs installed. They also have the same yield as a Retriever, just focused on one rock at a time and with small ore hold. The hold is irrelevant in presence of the Orca, though. Mine -> Jetcan the ore -> Orca tractors and loots. Just make sure it won't set him yellow when he takes it.

So you want to start shooting other internet spaceships but you use your carebear mentality and calls content creators, and people who does just that, "jerks"?

My advice to you? Look at the bigger picture. EVE is just a game, when you blow someone up for fun or for profits, you're not hurting them in real life, it's all just a game. Get in a frigate and venture into FW lowsec and look for trouble for example. And move up the ship sizes when you know what you're doing.
Experience is everything in pvp, learn the game mechanics, learn how people think, then think two steps ahead of them. Only engage knowing you have the upper hand.
Then when you drop your e-honor bullshlt, you will discover ways of making enough isk in one night to PLEX your accounts for months to come. And no, it's not from "Lucky Salvages". Think of it as roleplay if you will. You're just playing the bad guy, having more fun than those that don't.

Mining isn't only extremely dull, it's also very poor isk :-)

If you want something that makes money in non-combat, try manufacturing. It's one of the backbones of eve, and quite interesting to see how corp/alliance demand for different ships/modules affects supply and demand.


For a gentle combat introduction that also makes you nice isk, join factional warfare. There are quite a few corps that take newbies, it requires very little SP in combat skills to start with. Minmatar are best atm (high tier = most profitable). Once you get your standings up, you can do missions for even better isk.

putting skillpoitns into combat skills makes you better at both PVE and PVP. Obviously they work for PVP, which is good, but those skillpoints also let you do PVE that will make you better isk/hour than mining.

Plexing your account, particularly as a new player, is never something I would recommend. But if you really do want to plex your accounts, or at least one of them, then mining is a bad way to go about it. You're better off training both for combat and learning to dual box in level 3's and 4's, or use one to run missions and another to salvage.

You already do. It's "bear with me".

"Bare with me" sounds like you want to get naked together. No thanks.

If you treat Eve like a job...youre gonna have a bad time.

You seem to have the wrong idea about EVE. Each time you undock you essentially hit a button saying "I understand and accept the fact that my spaceship might explode, creating a hilarious lossmail".

EVE is a learning experience, for newbies and vets alike. And sometimes you learn things the hard way. This is where you either laugh at your silly loss/mistake and reflect on what you did wrong then adapt, or you run to the forums to whine, and set out on a personal campaign to make sure your opinion on evil "greifers" is heard.
Whenever you get "griefed" and it's within the rules of the EULA, you are bested by another player. Simple as that. It's survival of the fittest and it's up to you where on the food chain in EVE you want to place yourself.