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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#41 - 2014-01-10 22:55:26 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Kali Kaline wrote:
I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down).


Why would Americans hate Somalis? We don't hate Iraqis, Afghanis, Bosnians or Serbians, Panamanians, Yugoslavs, Colombians, Dominicans, Vietnamese, Koreans, Russians, Italians, Japanese, or Germans, so why would Somalis be special?

There's no sense in hating your wartime enemies. You accomplish the goals of the war (or not), and then you're done. Hating them just makes it harder to be done with the war after it's over. It's especially counterproductive to decide you hate the civilians of your enemy countries.



Just to stay in line with the sweeping statement control, I know for a fact that there are US citizens that do in fact hate all the above mentioned sub populations of the planet earth Ugh




The most tacit and passive-aggressive form of hatred of "outlanders" you will find in America is grounded in a thing called American Exceptionalism

(it's also destroying America as people think they are free just for being Americans, while technically and logically, they are not)

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#42 - 2014-01-10 23:02:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Slade Trillgon
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:




The most tacit and passive-aggressive form of hatred of "outlanders" you will find in America is grounded in a thing called American Exceptionalism

(it's also destroying America as people think they are free just for being Americans, while technically and logically, they are not)


Amerucia's Fascism; flavored to personal taste.
Pipa Porto
#43 - 2014-01-10 23:03:37 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Just to stay in line with the sweeping statement control, I know for a fact that there are US citizens that do in fact hate all the above mentioned sub populations of the planet earth Ugh


Sure, but that's not an American thing, that's just a matter of there being bigots everywhere.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#44 - 2014-01-10 23:37:41 UTC
I am European and certainly do not hate somalis. I think people are basically the same all over the world, good and bad everywhere. I am fortunate that I've met mostly good people, very few bad ones.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Slade Trillgon
Brutor Force Federated
#45 - 2014-01-10 23:45:21 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Slade Trillgon wrote:
Just to stay in line with the sweeping statement control, I know for a fact that there are US citizens that do in fact hate all the above mentioned sub populations of the planet earth Ugh


Sure, but that's not an American thing, that's just a matter of there being bigots everywhere.


Ohhh, I completely and emphatically agree, but that is not what you said Blink
Kali Kaline
#46 - 2014-01-11 00:41:17 UTC
Gotta say that the feedback I received here is way over I had expected. All my pathetic attempt of trolling was overcome by common sense and intelligent comments.

Thank You everyone sharing the thoughts on the matter.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2014-01-11 02:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Silvetica Dian
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Kali Kaline wrote:
Hello,

I am curios about how the EVE comunity land on the Cpt Phillips movie. EVE is know about having very intelligent people doing all level of pvp activities. Also, we.. love pirates. Just because they are intelligent and beware of all of the game mechanics.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down). I DO NOT wanna take conclusion over what is bad or wrong, I'm just really curios about how people feel about the movie, what's the general feeling about the somalians whom live in USA, etc.

Thank You.

Just a note. I don't think most americans "hate" the somalian people, I think we're ignorant about them. The US government's policies (for better or worse) are focused strongly on international trade, and somali pirates being in the news doesn't exactly get them good press.


I think maybe you should watch this as your next film http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2532528/
then read a few books by Noam Chomsky (Manufacturing Consent and Hegemony or survival for instance).

You should also know that a survey of EU residents for the country that was the biggest danger to world peace was a tie between Israel and the US.

Here is a short list of american aggression since WW2 https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US_Bombing_campaigns_since_1945
Here is a list of countries Iran has invaded in the last century or so..... error non found......
America invaded Somalia a while back and since then has removed the only stable government that formed there, regularly kills civilians using drone strikes and provides weapons and training to a number of violent warlords.
But ofc they are the bad ones.
American government policies are aimed at keeping as much of the world poor as possible and killing anyone that trys to subvert power away from dictatorships and multinationals. Most international trade is internal to large companies and is thus more command economy than "trade".
anyway i hope you start doing a bit of research into how the US (and its allies including my own country) helps make the world a poorer place using the IMF, the world bank, multinationals and armed force. Only a few brave people have stood up to them including Fidel Castro and also in part his protegee Nelson Mandela (whose resistance movement was trained and armed by Cuba).
These forums aren't the place for this but your posting displayed such shocking ignorance of world events that i felt i needed to point you towards some actual facts rather than the nonsense broadcasted by media barons and governments.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Heshee
Doomheim
#48 - 2014-01-11 02:48:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Heshee
Oh look, another troll thread about US aggression by the people who colonized and blew half the world to hell twice.

Here, have a holiday.
Lido Seahawk
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2014-01-11 04:26:02 UTC
I'm a Merchant Seaman, and ex-Navy. I've sailed off the coast of Somalia many times. This doesn't supririse me at all.

May I have your stuff?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#50 - 2014-01-11 08:40:36 UTC
Heshee wrote:
Oh look, another troll thread about US aggression by the people who colonized and blew half the world to hell twice.

Here, have a holiday.


Hey now we didn't start those scraps but we sure as hell manned up and took the brunt of the punches and won.
Pipa Porto
#51 - 2014-01-11 09:02:01 UTC
Lido Seahawk wrote:
I'm a Merchant Seaman


Gammetes for sale! Get your fresh hot Gammetes here!

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2014-01-11 11:48:42 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:

Here is a short list of american aggression since WW2 https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US_Bombing_campaigns_since_1945


You take that list seriously when even Wikipedia has to announce "Wikipedia bias

Substantial bias can be seen in many parts of the Wikipedia articles (e.g. no mention of the successful World Court action by Nicaragua against the US). Partly this is simply concealment of the overall picture in the mass of detail. Note that the article is rated as of 'low importance'. Other clues such as the talk page confirm the difficulty faced by editors attempting to restore objectivity to the page in the face of a bevy of editors beholden to the Official Narrative. " on the bottom of the page? Even Wiki is saying this is bullshit.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2014-01-11 14:19:38 UTC
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:

Here is a short list of american aggression since WW2 https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US_Bombing_campaigns_since_1945


You take that list seriously when even Wikipedia has to announce "Wikipedia bias

Substantial bias can be seen in many parts of the Wikipedia articles (e.g. no mention of the successful World Court action by Nicaragua against the US). Partly this is simply concealment of the overall picture in the mass of detail. Note that the article is rated as of 'low importance'. Other clues such as the talk page confirm the difficulty faced by editors attempting to restore objectivity to the page in the face of a bevy of editors beholden to the Official Narrative. " on the bottom of the page? Even Wiki is saying this is bullshit.



please tell me the ones that are incorrect.
are you denying american involvement in backing insurgents in Nicaragua? In terrorist outrages against Cuban hotels and civilian airliners? In bombing cambodia and loas? invading grenada or panama?
the rights and wrongs of these actions can be discussed i suppose but to deny they took place (apart from 1 or 2) seems a bit surreal

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#54 - 2014-01-11 18:49:21 UTC
Kali Kaline wrote:

This may get as shock to you, but Cpt P is not a movie.

What is this?
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#55 - 2014-01-11 18:58:44 UTC
Slade Trillgon wrote:

English was a bastard language before we got our hands on it you. Get off your Queen's English High Horse. I love British comedy, but let me tell you what; British English has extremely sloppy versions itself....and trust me, I am pretty sure I have heard mounds more of dirty English variants than you have Blink

The word is Aluminium.
Aluminium
inium
i

:trollface:
Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#56 - 2014-01-11 19:10:07 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:

Here is a short list of american aggression since WW2 https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US_Bombing_campaigns_since_1945


You take that list seriously when even Wikipedia has to announce "Wikipedia bias

Substantial bias can be seen in many parts of the Wikipedia articles (e.g. no mention of the successful World Court action by Nicaragua against the US). Partly this is simply concealment of the overall picture in the mass of detail. Note that the article is rated as of 'low importance'. Other clues such as the talk page confirm the difficulty faced by editors attempting to restore objectivity to the page in the face of a bevy of editors beholden to the Official Narrative. " on the bottom of the page? Even Wiki is saying this is bullshit.



please tell me the ones that are incorrect.
are you denying american involvement in backing insurgents in Nicaragua? In terrorist outrages against Cuban hotels and civilian airliners? In bombing cambodia and loas? invading grenada or panama?
the rights and wrongs of these actions can be discussed i suppose but to deny they took place (apart from 1 or 2) seems a bit surreal


The US has bad foreign policy. This is known. It's an unfortunate consequence of a political and media environment in which only cynical, self-serving assholes can hold high political office. You can't fairly judge us as a people based on that. We are victims of it as much as anybody else.

Having spent a large part of my adult life in subsaharan Africa, though, I find the idea that Europe has any moral high ground to stand on in this conversation just a little bit ridiculous.

www.everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com

Vote Sabriz Adoudel and Tora Bushido for CSMX. Keep the Evil in EVE!
Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#57 - 2014-01-12 04:30:19 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:

Here is a short list of american aggression since WW2 https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US_Bombing_campaigns_since_1945


You take that list seriously when even Wikipedia has to announce "Wikipedia bias

Substantial bias can be seen in many parts of the Wikipedia articles (e.g. no mention of the successful World Court action by Nicaragua against the US). Partly this is simply concealment of the overall picture in the mass of detail. Note that the article is rated as of 'low importance'. Other clues such as the talk page confirm the difficulty faced by editors attempting to restore objectivity to the page in the face of a bevy of editors beholden to the Official Narrative. " on the bottom of the page? Even Wiki is saying this is bullshit.



please tell me the ones that are incorrect.
are you denying american involvement in backing insurgents in Nicaragua? In terrorist outrages against Cuban hotels and civilian airliners? In bombing cambodia and loas? invading grenada or panama?
the rights and wrongs of these actions can be discussed i suppose but to deny they took place (apart from 1 or 2) seems a bit surreal

The whole list is taking an anthill of truth and turning it into a mountain of bullshit. More then half that list is unfounded and blown out of proportion, and some of it is outright lies.
Backing insurgents in Nicaragua? Terrorist outrages against Cuba? Bombing cambodia and loas? Invading grenada or panama? an anthill of truth and you turn it into a mountain of bullshit.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#58 - 2014-01-12 04:35:53 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Heshee wrote:
Oh look, another troll thread about US aggression by the people who colonized and blew half the world to hell twice.

Here, have a holiday.


Hey now we didn't start those scraps but we sure as hell manned up and took the brunt of the punches and won.


You mean we got involved after everyone else did and only lost hundreds of thousands while a particular ally of ours engaged 75% of the enemey forces and lost tens of millions in the process.

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#59 - 2014-01-12 04:41:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Snagletooth Johnson wrote:
Silvetica Dian wrote:

Here is a short list of american aggression since WW2 https://wikispooks.com/wiki/US_Bombing_campaigns_since_1945


You take that list seriously when even Wikipedia has to announce "Wikipedia bias

Substantial bias can be seen in many parts of the Wikipedia articles (e.g. no mention of the successful World Court action by Nicaragua against the US). Partly this is simply concealment of the overall picture in the mass of detail. Note that the article is rated as of 'low importance'. Other clues such as the talk page confirm the difficulty faced by editors attempting to restore objectivity to the page in the face of a bevy of editors beholden to the Official Narrative. " on the bottom of the page? Even Wiki is saying this is bullshit.



please tell me the ones that are incorrect.
are you denying american involvement in backing insurgents in Nicaragua? In terrorist outrages against Cuban hotels and civilian airliners? In bombing cambodia and loas? invading grenada or panama?
the rights and wrongs of these actions can be discussed i suppose but to deny they took place (apart from 1 or 2) seems a bit surreal

The whole list is taking an anthill of truth and turning it into a mountain of bullshit. More then half that list is unfounded and blown out of proportion, and some of it is outright lies.
Backing insurgents in Nicaragua? Terrorist outrages against Cuba? Bombing cambodia and loas? Invading grenada or panama? an anthill of truth and you turn it into a mountain of bullshit.


If you don't know the facts that the US Goverment agencies (say the CIA) has been involved in several overthrows of democratically elected governments, then well... I suppose the current government doesn't bother you that much either.

These are one of those topics that I don't want to get involved with. Just in case things really go bad and my chat logs get me a visit in the middle of the night and taken to a room with a guy with a rubber hose and some electric car batteries.

I suffer no illusion that I do not live in nation that respects democracies and human rights.

But like people who live in fascist nations throughout history, I will survive and even sing "Long live our glorious leaders!" if needed.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

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Snagletooth Johnson
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2014-01-12 04:59:27 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:

If you don't know the facts that the US Goverment agencies (say the CIA) has been involved in several overthrows of democratically elected governments, then well... I suppose the current government doesn't bother you that much either.

These are one of those topics that I don't want to get involved with. Just in case things really go bad and my chat logs get me a visit in the middle of the night and taken to a room with a guy with a rubber hose and some electric car batteries.

I suffer no illusion that I do not live in nation that respects democracies and human rights.

But like people who live in fascist nations throughout history, I will survive and even sing "Long live our glorious leaders!" if needed.

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb.

You speak of "democratically elected", yet you continlually support dictator and communists regimes. They are well known to be "Democratically elected" by a citizenship at gunpoint, with most of the opposition in prison or somehow not to be found on election day.
In the end, You speak of Democracy while you dream of dictatorship.
Democracy is the will of the majority forced upon the minority
Dictatorship is the will of the minority forced upon the majority.

You want to force you're will upon others, you're just butt hurt because theirs someone who has the force to push back.