EVE General Discussion

Seriously though, if all these ships are overshadowed by T3s, why do so many people still fly them?

Could it be that they aren't overshadowed at all, and have distinctive roles, which is as it should be?

As I said, plans are going to plan.

Which has everything to do with the fact that T3s use subsystems. They aren't "one size fits all" so much as "one size fits one but can be reconfigured". Getting rid of this aspect would require T3s to be nerfed into oblivion.


Both. That catastrophic development you refer to would be when nobody bothers flying T3s because other ships can do everything T3s can do, but better. Which is exactly what you're suggesting for them. Right now they can do some things pretty well and it's that which you're using as proof that they should be nerfed.

I was talking about the one configuration which gives it cruiser sig/mobility, BC DPS and BS tank. I wasn't including subsystem versatility in my assessment.


It's not. I haven't suggested anything for them other than rebalancing them.


Yeah, kinda.

What about ABCs? They have cruiser mobility, cruiser/BC tank, and BS DPS. They also cost way less, require less training, and don't have the skillpoint loss drawback.

Also last I checked T3 tank was on par only for some of the lower BS, e.g. Armageddon, Dominix, Typhoon, Scorpion and only if you sacrifice the entire rack (except for prop mod in case of shield).


Rebalancing them how?

T1 cruiser tank, not BC tank. If they had BC tank, they would certainly be OP.


My Legion gets 120k EHP with 2 damage mods.


I haven't put too much thought into it, but probably, remove SP loss, buff material costs, nerf defensive subsystems. Rebalance subsystems, perhaps limit subsystems to one role bonus each, possibly with focused subsystems for each category. i.e If you want pure gank, use 4 damage subsystems for 4 damage bonuses. If you want a balance of damage and tank, use 2 of each etc. I'm not really too sure.

Edit: After giving it a little more thought, I've invented a new idea for dynamic T3 balance. It's still in the theoretical phase.

Each T3 has 20 subsystems to choose from, to fill 5 subsystem slots, as normal. However, all subsystems are substantially weaker, giving only a 2.5% bonus per level. This will be balanced by the fact that subsystems can be be stacked without penalties.

For instance, if I want a T3 with great tracking, I could use 4x tracking subsystems for a total of 10% per level. The ship will be weaker in all other areas.

For fittings, you can have a choice of 4 subsystems and each subsystem offers a different slot layout with various quantities of highs, low and mids for you to choose for your T3. Essentially, you will have a choice of 4 baseline templates to work from and you can give that template the role bonuses you choose for it via subsystems. 4 role bonus subsystems will gave up to 10% in role bonuses per level, to be distributed as you see fit.

I fly one 'cause I'm extremely stupid and don't mind saying so.