EVE General Discussion

I am just curious if there is a way to modify a chat log.

I have an idea to create a Miner Insurance Corporation where miners can pay the corporation a monthly premium and if they lose their ship, the corporation will reimburse them for the ship they have insured. To qualify for reimbursement the killmail would reflect that they were tanking their ship but they would also be required to type something in Local or other chat channel a couple seconds immediately before or after the kill.

I just don't want people modifying chat logs to reflect their presence when they weren't actually there.

chat logs are stored in plain txt files under "\Documents\EVE\logs\Chatlogs".

trivial to edit and upload them to pastebin or wherever, to claim things.

You'd need multiple independent sources of the chatlogs, to find any anomalies.

that would work, but there are a couple technical issues:

1. 100% coverage of representatives, over the 23/7 of the EVE week. Difficult to guarantee someone is online all the time, due to things outside your control - Socket Closed errors, ISP problems, that sort of thing.
2. False claims - someone may accuse a particular representative of being untrustworthy, and submit doctored chatlogs. The representative only really has their chatlogs to support them. He-Said-She-Said and all that.

These lessen when you have enough of a critical mass of people, but it's getting to that point that's the problem. Have to convince people of your honesty and integrity and all that first, so that they can trust you, and trust your systems&procedures.

Thanks Ramona and Shirley. It's easy for me to sit here and think this is a decent idea and I appreciate you both for the insight. I think a lot of this can be managed by legalese in the policy. Insurance companies don't make money by just handing out free money. In the simplest terms, they profit from the rampant stupidity of others (not a dig at anyone just a fact).

I think if the policy is written in a way that places absolute requirements for reimbursement there is a profit to be made. Those requirements being (at least for the time being):

Fit a tank. (Verified by KM)
Don't be AFK. (Verified by chat log - maybe a trusted 3rd party)
Have standard insurance (this would classify more as GAP insurance)
Don't mine while actively war-decced.

I could also add that NPC corp characters do not qualify. Not just for profit but in the interest of emergent gameplay. Not totally sold on this idea yet but...

And the policy would include some kind of absolute that all decisions by XXX Insurance are final etc.

The real question I have to ask myself honestly is, if this is a good idea why has no one else done it yet?

I'm unsure about that, depends whether the chat is pulled from channel logs (if such a thing exists) or personal chat logs. You'd have to ask Chribba.

Just use api verified Killmails............

Chribba has bots in channels that save the content. You could ask him for one in a specific channel, but not for several locals I guess...

Chatlog to prove not AFK.

A valid claim would require the pilot to say, "Claim" or something else within seconds of being podded in a verifiable chat channel somewhere. Time stamp on the KM would be verified against the time stamp of the "Proof of presence" in the channel.

I can bring you some, if you are hungry

Just have them send you an eve-mail immediately after. Problem solved.