EVE General Discussion

Right around 80% of botting occurs in just 9 HS regions.

To me, that sounds like botters have pretty much abandoned Null.

So, what would you allow as the minimum size for a player corp, my favourite crazy poster?

Where in my post did you find me blaming anyone for anything? I'm just saying that the evidence supports the assertion that "botters have pretty much abandoned Null."

Botters put their bots where they can make the most profit. HS offers them several advantages over null (some general, and some bot specific), and no significant disadvantages since the income is about the same.

I did not say you blamed hi-sec players, but I do believe I helped you express the point you were making more clearly

It is botting which is wrong, where ever it takes place.

And whats wrong with hisec industry.? i though that nullsec industry is borked and need serious buff..

Null Sec industry did just have a serious buff. Most of the people complaining haven't caught up with it yet.

Although i agree that hisec manufacturing costs should be higher than manufacturing costs in player owned outposts (so nullsec industrials could compensate higher isk costs for transportation and logistics), i dont understand why do you want to reduce manufacturng slots in hisec... Its overcrowded here already. Reducing manufacturing slots would just bottleneck offers (while demand stays same) and prices would skyrocket again... its against the logic


RE: Tippia: ditto

Because there are already far more slots in highsec than it needs so there is never really any reason to move outside it. You might have to wait a day or so if you absolutely positively have to do your industry a jump away from a trade hub, but there is absolutely no overcrowding.

Reducing the manufacturing slots means that people will have to start finding alternative solutions — doing the work “at home” being one of them — and it also means that there is better parity between outposts and stations.

In fact, reduced NPC production slots could make it less crowded if everything is done right: those with access to superior production facilities in null will use those and stop crowding highsec, leaving the reduced NPC production slots near-empty to those who can't or won't move away.

There are hundreds of empty manufacturing slots within 5 jumps of Jita.

Nobody's saying anything about "wrecking" hi-sec. Just making it less lucrative.



And we're arguing that making HS less lucrative than it is now would make the game better as a whole.



1. There's nothing inherently wrong with a change causing price increases.
2. During the buildup to the battleship tiericide, I was building things in public slots 3 jumps from Jita. In a month, I think I had to move my production to a different station in the same system 3 times. This means I had 10 open slots in the same station available to me without changing stations 90% of the time. That's not crowded at all.
3. The presence of moons and the ability to put manufacturing POSes there means that a bottleneck of manufacturing slots will be trivially resolved (like they have been with research slots).
4. The manufacturing fee is currently so small as to be irrelevant. Increasing it to the point where it is relevant would be very hard to balance, since I don't think production time and item value are particularly well correlated (meaning low value, long builds would be priced out of HS stations almost immediately). It also doesn't help the fact that, after HS stations, HS POSes are the best place to manufacture things.