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Gallente-Caldari Relations, Are They Improving?

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Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#1 - 2014-01-10 16:03:09 UTC
Gallente-Caldari Relations have always been tense, but recently it would seem that the hostility between the Gallente and the Caldari has been easing up. Is this a sign of things to come in the future? Perhaps one day the people of the Federation and the people of the State will no longer view the other as enemies, but rather as technological and economic rivals, both racing towards the future to the benefit of all humanity. It's an optimistic view, but I for one would like to see the animosity between the Caldari and the Gallente dissipate.

What are your thoughts on Gallente-Caldari relations? Do you think they will improve, and do you want to see them improve? If not, for what reasons? Here's to a completely civil discussion. Cheers!

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2014-01-10 16:14:07 UTC
To soon to tell.

**Vherokior **

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#3 - 2014-01-10 16:17:01 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
To soon to tell.

While it is true that it's too early to say definitively (it almost always is), speculating on the matter won't hurt.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#4 - 2014-01-10 16:28:29 UTC
Calm before the storm Maby. If it starts looking too much like peace a politician somewere will see fit to fix it, I'm sure.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#5 - 2014-01-10 16:44:41 UTC
I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#6 - 2014-01-10 17:18:04 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation.

First half of that sentence was encouraging. Second half, not so much.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2014-01-10 17:40:38 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Gallente-Caldari Relations have always been tense, but recently it would seem that the hostility between the Gallente and the Caldari has been easing up. Is this a sign of things to come in the future? Perhaps one day the people of the Federation and the people of the State will no longer view the other as enemies, but rather as technological and economic rivals, both racing towards the future to the benefit of all humanity. It's an optimistic view, but I for one would like to see the animosity between the Caldari and the Gallente dissipate.

What are your thoughts on Gallente-Caldari relations? Do you think they will improve, and do you want to see them improve? If not, for what reasons? Here's to a completely civil discussion. Cheers!


It's all a matter of time. People are drawn inexorably together into larger and larger groups, so over hundreds or thousands of years, the cluster will grow politically smaller and more interconnected. The conflicts of today will be distant memories. Eventually we'll move towards some form of peace.

I'm always optimistic, but it's not easy to say we'll see it within our lifetimes. As Claudia pointed out, there are a great many people who have a vested interest in ongoing limited conflicts. It gives them a ready-made threat to point at when internal matters start becoming harder to ignore.

"What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul?"

-Matthew 16:26

Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#8 - 2014-01-10 18:05:04 UTC
There's still a great deal of negative sentiment popularly, but with the resolution of the issue of Caldari Prime, the truth is that one of the major points of contention between the Federation and the State has been resolved.

That's got to have a thawing effect in the long-term.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#9 - 2014-01-10 18:29:48 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation.

First half of that sentence was encouraging. Second half, not so much.


I fail to see how you cannot be encouraged by the prospect of a potential Ishukone-Federal relationship in the future?

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Felsusguy
Panopticon Engineering
#10 - 2014-01-10 18:33:26 UTC
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
Felsusguy wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation.

First half of that sentence was encouraging. Second half, not so much.


I fail to see how you cannot be encouraged by the prospect of a potential Ishukone-Federal relationship in the future?

The way you put it makes it sound like Ishukone is attempting to curry favor with the Federation for their own purposes rather than for the good of the State. If you didn't mean for it to sound that way, I apologize, but it just seems like it.

The Caldari put business before pleasure. The Gallente put business in pleasure.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#11 - 2014-01-10 18:38:30 UTC
Felsusguy wrote:

The way you put it makes it sound like Ishukone is attempting to curry favor with the Federation for their own purposes rather than for the good of the State. If you didn't mean for it to sound that way, I apologize, but it just seems like it.


I have no idea where you could have possibly come up with such a notion.

I'm appalled, really, I truly am.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Anslo
Scope Works
#12 - 2014-01-10 18:43:42 UTC
You suck at sarcasm.

[center]-_For the Proveldtariat_/-[/center]

Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#13 - 2014-01-10 19:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Korsavius
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation.


*Can be seen eating a rather luxurious meal at a diner overlooking a scenic spot in some magnificent Gallente city. Beautiful, energetic Gallente women serve and cater to the needs of the customers while popular Gallente music provides some atmosphere for the place.*


I'm sorry, what about Ishukone and the Federation?

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#14 - 2014-01-10 20:44:18 UTC
Felsusguy; I can only imagine that relations will continue to be frosty for the foreseeable future. Still, the proxy war is just that, and I would be surprised if the major players in their respective nations aren't proceeding with business as normal. Material Acquisitions and Quafe continue to operate in State space, and I wouldn't be surprised if even CreoDron continues to market commercial drone products where they're able to make inroads.

Ms. Gesaakarin; are you saying that Kaalakiota isn't in these lucrative markets? Fascinating.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2014-01-10 20:47:53 UTC
Korsavius wrote:
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:
I'm sure Ishukone will do their utmost to improve their own relationship with the Federation.


*Can be seen eating a rather luxurious meal at a diner overlooking a scenic spot in some magnificent Gallente city. Beautiful, energetic Gallente women serve and cater to the needs of the customers while popular Gallente music provides some atmosphere for the place.*


I'm sorry, what about Ishukone and the Federation?


She'd explain, but we're up to our necks in blood and muck here at the front. kirjuun

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.

Veikitamo Gesakaarin
Doomheim
#16 - 2014-01-10 21:27:56 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:


Ms. Gesaakarin; are you saying that Kaalakiota isn't in these lucrative markets? Fascinating.


I'm not in a position to say; but I am glad that at least Chief Executive Oiritsuu has the pride and spine not to be reduced to tears and begging upon her knees to a foreign government in order to enter a market - regardless of how lucrative it may or may not be.

Then again it's probably not the first, nor the last time Kaalakiota has placed pride before profit so its citizens have the dignity of knowing they do their business on their feet and not on their backs like a cheap Dissoc. prostitute.

Kurilaivonen|Concern

Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2014-01-10 21:48:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Veikitamo Gesakaarin wrote:


I'm not in a position to say; but I am glad that at least Chief Executive Oiritsuu has the pride and spine not to be reduced to tears and begging upon her knees to a foreign government in order to enter a market - regardless of how lucrative it may or may not be.

Then again it's probably not the first, nor the last time Kaalakiota has placed pride before profit so its citizens have the dignity of knowing they do their business on their feet and not on their backs like a cheap Dissoc. prostitute.


Oh, Maker! That's rich. Baha. Thank you, Gesakaarin! I was wondering how I'd find some light dinner entertainment. You do deliver, as they say.

But as you seem to not know, given your tirade about prostitutes and pride and all that, Kaalakiota-Okusaika-does-maintain-Federation-facilities. Indeed, these facilities are in secure Federation territory, meaning that in all likelihood Kaalakiota likely pays taxes and thus funds the Federation military. Rich, isn't it? And these aren't necessarily facilities in lockdown, with skeleton crews. No, as you'd expect, it's business-as-normal for Kaalakiota. I could carry on.

In any case, please continue with your fanciful efforts to goad us and paint Ishukone Okusaika as the traitorous outsiders. It's hilarious. Honestly. Have you ever tried comedy?

(edit; apologies for formatting. This Galnet software evidently has difficulty parsing links in succession, and standard Galnet software tags for inserted spaces aren't working.)

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Jace Sarice
#18 - 2014-01-10 21:55:22 UTC
Don't mistake quiet for peace. Lack of events that instigate hostilities does not mean those hostilities are not continuing to exist under the surface. It will take contentious events to observe whether relations are actually improving. It is not likely.
Korsavius
Revenent Defence Corperation
#19 - 2014-01-10 22:33:20 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
She'd explain, but we're up to our necks in blood and muck here at the front. kirjuun


Relax, Tuulinen-haan. I was simply...how does one say, poking fun at a sarcastic, misguided response with another sarcastic, misguided response.

Rest assured that the men and women under my command pay just as much blood as yours or any other organization involved in that awful mess of a proxy-war. They pay their blood, however, to fight a different kind of enemy, rather than a mere mirror of themselves.

As for the topic at hand, I would certainly like to think that Caldari-Gallente relations are improving. As some of the comments above are quite good evidence for, there still is a long road that needs to be traversed by Caldari (and Gallente) until the day comes that this proxy-war ceases to exist, and the two of our peoples can co-exist in relative harmony. I look forward for that day.

Cold Wind's Blade || Follow the I-RED Newsfeed & visit the I-RED GalNet site!

Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#20 - 2014-01-10 23:52:39 UTC
Relax, kirjuun.

Gesakaarin-haani is merely trolling for a reaction, as usual. To some extent, she did elicit some entertaining replies!

That said, it's all just idle jabs and snipes on a forum seemingly designed for such.

Katrina Oniseki

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