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Cale Nolen
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2014-01-10 19:18:05 UTC
basing Somalia on its pirates, bit like basing eve on GD

I dont know any Somalians all i hear about is a minority that gives me no right to base an opinion on a nation
Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#22 - 2014-01-10 19:22:48 UTC
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
fyi It's spelled, 'judgmental.' Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Not in British English it isn't.
But let's not end a tradition of US bastardising the English language.

As for the OP... Eve is a game, Captain Philips is a film, you would be wise not to attribute characteristics of either of them to a nationality of people who exist in the real world.
Kali Kaline
#23 - 2014-01-10 19:35:06 UTC
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
fyi It's spelled, 'judgmental.' Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Not in British English it isn't.
But let's not end a tradition of US bastardising the English language.

As for the OP... Eve is a game, Captain Philips is a film, you would be wise not to attribute characteristics of either of them to a nationality of people who exist in the real world.

This may get as shock to you, but Cpt P is not a movie.
Herzog Wolfhammer
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#24 - 2014-01-10 19:45:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
The notions that various governments have about Somalia and the notions that Eve players have about nullsec are comparable.

Somalia is said to be "living under anarchy" as if to imply that it's a constant free for all of violence and mayhem when in fact, outside of Mog, the tribes get along most of the time and their cattle production has had positive GDP at times. Most of the land is owned by the tribes and that being private property is well cared for.

But the comparison is such, we in the west are supposed to go "ooooh! Anarchy! They eat babies!" and then hug our own tyrannical governments so much more.


The "governments" of Eve perpetuate the myth that nullsec is the zone of instant gank and failure - unless you join their alliance of course.

So if you want a comparison, the ONLY thing that compares is the propaganda and the perception of people who believe only what they are told by other people with an agenda.

The rest... meh.

And those Somali "Pirates", uh..... once again it's part of the narrative. Yeah "Somalia has anarchy and therefore... PIRRRAAATESSS!". Yeah, in America, the Coast Guard boards you saying they are looking for drugs and weapons and then asks you about your personal life trying to get anything you say so they can use it against you.

These "pirates" in Somalia are called thus by.. governments... and what were some of these governments doing off the coast of Somalia before these "pirates"?

They were dumping toxic waste. Somali fishermen, having their livelihood destroyed, and no real navy to speak of, had to take matters into their own hands.


So, less than an hour of searching the internet will reveal the truth about Somalia (but hey, that's Africa and they are black and have no oil so screw it, right? It's not trendy enough - hey look over there, someone said something politically incorrect! CHARGE!!!) and less than a week of searching New Eden will reveal the truth about the game too.

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Kali Kaline
#25 - 2014-01-10 20:02:33 UTC
Funny fact: pirates
USA 78&
ETC1%

Maybe te US goverment should look into their pirate wannabe people.
Kali Kaline
#26 - 2014-01-10 20:05:53 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The notions that various governments have about Somalia and the notions that Eve players have about nullsec are comparable.

Somalia is said to be "living under anarchy" as if to imply that it's a constant free for all of violence and mayhem when in fact, outside of Mog, the tribes get along most of the time and their cattle production has had positive GDP at times. Most of the land is owned by the tribes and that being private property is well cared for.

But the comparison is such, we in the west are supposed to go "ooooh! Anarchy! They eat babies!" and then hug our own tyrannical governments so much more.


The "governments" of Eve perpetuate the myth that nullsec is the zone of instant gank and failure - unless you join their alliance of course.

So if you want a comparison, the ONLY thing that compares is the propaganda and the perception of people who believe only what they are told by other people with an agenda.

The rest... meh.

And those Somali "Pirates", uh..... once again it's part of the narrative. Yeah "Somalia has anarchy and therefore... PIRRRAAATESSS!". Yeah, in America, the Coast Guard boards you saying they are looking for drugs and weapons and then asks you about your personal life trying to get anything you say so they can use it against you.

These "pirates" in Somalia are called thus by.. governments... and what were some of these governments doing off the coast of Somalia before these "pirates"?

They were dumping toxic waste. Somali fishermen, having their livelihood destroyed, and no real navy to speak of, had to take matters into their own hands.


So, less than an hour of searching the internet will reveal the truth about Somalia (but hey, that's Africa and they are black and have no oil so screw it, right? It's not trendy enough - hey look over there, someone said something politically incorrect! CHARGE!!!) and less than a week of searching New Eden will reveal the truth about the game too.

Kali Kaline
#27 - 2014-01-10 20:06:56 UTC
Somalia is possible the best thing to happne on worlds
Markku Laaksonen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2014-01-10 20:07:20 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:


Ow you almost hurt my feeling with that one

You seem quite bothered by the fact other people might have an opinion on ill-informed and quite frankly ridiculously reactionary statements.

But if you don't think saying "All Americans must think this way.." is an extremely sweeping statement, you should probably check the meaning of the phrase out.

That said, you seem to think most Americans are stupid, so I suppose you do understand it, even if you can't actually put it into a recognisable or coherent thought.

And yes, you pointed out my spelling mistake twice. Good for you.

Here's a little gold star for you *pin*

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Woah, easy there Ramona. I apologize for almost hurting your feelings. We can talk about if you want. Get those feelings and burdens off your chest.

It doesn't bother me even a little bit that people have opinions on ill-informed and quite frankly ridiculously reactionary statements, actually, and I wanted to make sure my 'hunch that Americans couldn't point to Somalia on a map' didn't bother you, either. You're clearly very sensitive. I wanted to make a sincere effort to let you know I mean no ill will.

That said, you seem to make quite the leap in your thought process. I don't think most average Americans could point to Somalia on a map. That's quite a far cry from me thinking they're all hopelessly stupid morons. Knowing the location of Somalia has extremely little impact on, I would say, a vast majority of anyone's (American or otherwise) day to day life. Why should I think you're stupid for not knowing where Somalia is?

I pointed out your spelling mistake because you got on your moral high horse. You can't ride the moral high horse unless your saddle is fastened securely (some John Wayne douchebaggery reference for you, Unsuccessful At Everything). In this case, your saddle is correct grammar used to convey 'a recognisable or coherent thought.' (are you non-American English speaking because of S instead of Z?)

I am American. I hope you don't think that I think most of us are stupid. I don't let myself get so easily and childishly offended over something so trivial and petty as OP's asking if Americans hate Somalis and EVE pirates or whatever it was. Hopefully we can be the bestest of pals. Sorry if I almost hurt your feelings. Thanks for the gold star.

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Pipa Porto
#29 - 2014-01-10 20:26:58 UTC
Kali Kaline wrote:
I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down).


Why would Americans hate Somalis? We don't hate Iraqis, Afghanis, Bosnians or Serbians, Panamanians, Yugoslavs, Colombians, Dominicans, Vietnamese, Koreans, Russians, Italians, Japanese, or Germans, so why would Somalis be special?

There's no sense in hating your wartime enemies. You accomplish the goals of the war (or not), and then you're done. Hating them just makes it harder to be done with the war after it's over. It's especially counterproductive to decide you hate the civilians of your enemy countries.

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#30 - 2014-01-10 20:58:05 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Kali Kaline wrote:
Hello,

I am curios about how the EVE comunity land on the Cpt Phillips movie. EVE is know about having very intelligent people doing all level of pvp activities. Also, we.. love pirates. Just because they are intelligent and beware of all of the game mechanics.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down). I DO NOT wanna take conclusion over what is bad or wrong, I'm just really curios about how people feel about the movie, what's the general feeling about the somalians whom live in USA, etc.

Thank You.

Just a note. I don't think most americans "hate" the somalian people, I think we're ignorant about them. The US government's policies (for better or worse) are focused strongly on international trade, and somali pirates being in the news doesn't exactly get them good press.

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#31 - 2014-01-10 21:07:46 UTC
I think we should be taking this thread (and OPs comments about somali's/americans) a bit less seriously. The guy can barely work the forums.

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#32 - 2014-01-10 21:58:08 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Kali Kaline wrote:
Hello,

I am curios about how the EVE comunity land on the Cpt Phillips movie. EVE is know about having very intelligent people doing all level of pvp activities. Also, we.. love pirates. Just because they are intelligent and beware of all of the game mechanics.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down). I DO NOT wanna take conclusion over what is bad or wrong, I'm just really curios about how people feel about the movie, what's the general feeling about the somalians whom live in USA, etc.

Thank You.

Just a note. I don't think most americans "hate" the somalian people, I think we're ignorant about them. The US government's policies (for better or worse) are focused strongly on international trade, and somali pirates being in the news doesn't exactly get them good press.




The present objective is to declare that "terrists" are in control of Somalia and use that as an excuse to expand military involvement there in the long term.

You see there is oil under Somalia, but the oil companies don't want to confront the land owners (the tribes) that own it.

We can't have Somalis benefiting from their own oil. It's bad enough that the Norwegians and Venezuelans got to profit from their own oil and we can't have this happen you see. Oil execs need to keep those huge incomes up because the American government is not bought out cheaply.

So the long term goal is to further extremism in Africa (I was told about Libya and Egypt by an "insider" 2 years before it happened) and then in the chaos, install governments more friendly to oil companies so all that great oil rich land can be robbed from the owners.

The owners will probably be equated with "plantation owners of the American South" or something or be called "landlords" or some other word that has a negative connotation so Boobus Americanus, only partially paying attention (those semi-AFK people) will automatically side with the narrative of the state.

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SlickReed
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2014-01-10 21:59:56 UTC
[quote=Kali Kaline]Hello,

I am curios about how the EVE comunity land on the Cpt Phillips movie. EVE is know about having very intelligent people doing all level of pvp activities. Also, we.. love pirates. Just because they are intelligent and beware of all of the game mechanics.

I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down). I DO NOT wanna take conclusion over what is bad or wrong, I'm just really curios about how people feel about the movie, what's the general feeling about the somalians whom live in USA, etc.

Thank

Wow can't believe this thread is even allowed.
Pipa Porto
#34 - 2014-01-10 22:01:05 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
The present objective is to declare that "terrists" are in control of Somalia and use that as an excuse to expand military involvement there in the long term.

You see there is oil under Somalia, but the oil companies don't want to confront the land owners (the tribes) that own it.

We can't have Somalis benefiting from their own oil. It's bad enough that the Norwegians and Venezuelans got to profit from their own oil and we can't have this happen you see. Oil execs need to keep those huge incomes up because the American government is not bought out cheaply.

So the long term goal is to further extremism in Africa (I was told about Libya and Egypt by an "insider" 2 years before it happened) and then in the chaos, install governments more friendly to oil companies so all that great oil rich land can be robbed from the owners.

The owners will probably be equated with "plantation owners of the American South" or something or be called "landlords" or some other word that has a negative connotation so Boobus Americanus, only partially paying attention (those semi-AFK people) will automatically side with the narrative of the state.



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Solyaris Chtonium
#35 - 2014-01-10 22:03:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Decian Cor
I have traveled to various African nations, and lived in Mozambique. Mozambique is the third most underdeveloped country in the world in regards to education, agriculture, infrasturcture, etc (DRC and Niger beat them out). For all my time spent there, I can barely pass judgement on the country as a whole.

The Mozambicans have a staggering abundance of natural resources (offshore oil deposits, coal, other forms of agriculture) but a corrupt government that cannot manage any of it and spread the wealth. The average Mozambican is very, very friendly and eager to learn, earn, and live well. But corruption is a huge problem in most African countries, and it takes its toll.

I have seen firsthand the effects of what living in squalor does to people. When you sleep on the sidewalk, drink from a filthy canal filled with rubbish, bathe in the ocean, and sell trinkets on the street corner 7 days a week so you can afford to buy a loaf of bread, it's no wonder some see crime as a viable alternative lifestyle. The lack of proper education countrywide only compounds the issue as they fall further and further behind the power curve.

In regards to Somali pirates, I'm sure they are making a living the best way they know how, and trying to survive and be breadwinners for their family.

Does that make piracy okay? No.
Would I treat a pirate like a pirate? Yes.
Can I hate an entire culture because there are a few bad eggs? No.

Rash and unfounded generalisations about an entire population are stupid, especially if you have NEVER seen any of it firsthand, or tried living their lifestyle.

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#36 - 2014-01-10 22:08:02 UTC
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#37 - 2014-01-10 22:10:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Plastic Psycho
I've known Somalis. They're people. Neither better nor worse than other people. Their situation does makes them rather more desperate than most, though.

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#38 - 2014-01-10 22:21:18 UTC
Why is this thread in the EVE Online forums? Near as I can tell, it doesn't have anything to do with this game.

Also, I'm an American who lives in a Somali neighborhood in the US. Somali food is good, Somali women are hot, oh yeah, and Blackhawk Down was an awesome movie, and it in no way made me dislike Somalis or gave me the impression that Americans dislike Somalis.

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#39 - 2014-01-10 22:36:51 UTC
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
Markku Laaksonen wrote:
fyi It's spelled, 'judgmental.' Don't get your panties in a bunch.

Not in British English it isn't.
But let's not end a tradition of US bastardising the English language.

As for the OP... Eve is a game, Captain Philips is a film, you would be wise not to attribute characteristics of either of them to a nationality of people who exist in the real world.



English was a bastard language before we got our hands on it you. Get off your Queen's English High Horse. I love British comedy, but let me tell you what; British English has extremely sloppy versions itself....and trust me, I am pretty sure I have heard mounds more of dirty English variants than you have Blink
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#40 - 2014-01-10 22:41:49 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Kali Kaline wrote:
I know that the majority of the EVE community is based in USA, people who hate the somalian pirates and also the somalian people (see black hawk down).


Why would Americans hate Somalis? We don't hate Iraqis, Afghanis, Bosnians or Serbians, Panamanians, Yugoslavs, Colombians, Dominicans, Vietnamese, Koreans, Russians, Italians, Japanese, or Germans, so why would Somalis be special?

There's no sense in hating your wartime enemies. You accomplish the goals of the war (or not), and then you're done. Hating them just makes it harder to be done with the war after it's over. It's especially counterproductive to decide you hate the civilians of your enemy countries.



Just to stay in line with the sweeping statement control, I know for a fact that there are US citizens that do in fact hate all the above mentioned sub populations of the planet earth Ugh