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How to explain eve to a non-player.

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Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
#21 - 2014-01-10 19:06:46 UTC
To describe EVE to a non or new player you have to bring the sandbox comparison into it.

EVE is a sandbox, as a new player you'll start out in the middle of the sandbox, if you stray too far from the middle you will run into the bully's area of the sand box and he/she will protect their area of the sandbox by beating you about the head and neck with a large stick until you wake up safe and sound back in the middle of the sandbox. You will need to group up with others to protect yourselves and what you currently have. If you wish to be the bully you simply need to bring more friends than he has and take his area from him. His area has better sand and much better toys. Your new friends will eventually abandoned and betray you and you'll wake up back in the middle of the sandbox to start all over again.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#22 - 2014-01-10 19:07:59 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
I like the guy who animates his stuff though

Agreed. And don't get me wrong, I love the guy, but I go to him for giggles, not for legit reviews.

Sometimes he hits the mark, but there's a reason he sticks with 1P stuff; it's easier to play through and pick apart. EVE is often described by gamers as "the one game I always really liked but never tried", and there's a good reason for that. Once you get into the gritty details of time training, fleet compositions, politics, fittings, doctrines, and all that noise, it's a turnoff for the gamer looking for a quick thrill as opposed to a focus title.

I have always preferred focus titles, and that's why I'm here.


Rational thought

Me likey

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann

Julius Rigel
#23 - 2014-01-10 19:14:17 UTC
"Traditional" MMO games are like theme parks: A nice, sculpted space with clear signage leading to the various designated rides, attractions (or quests and dungeons), and other elements of fun. You can choose which rides to go on, what food stalls to eat at, and so on. Then when you've seen everything, you can do it again, or come back another day (make a new character) and take a new path, or try the new rides if they've put in any. Play outside of the special rides and attractions is certainly possible, but it's not encouraged, and it might be frowned upon by the park employees.

EVE, on the other hand, is like a sandbox: There's a clear boundary within which the sand belongs, but nobody is going to yell at you for spilling it here and there, provided you're not putting it in your pocket and taking it home with you. Because if everyone did that, there would be no sand left. There are tools such as buckets and shovels at your disposal, but what you build and how you build it is entirely up to you. You make your own fun. If someone trips over or kicks your sand castle, tough luck. There's also a swing set and a see-saw (things like missions, anoms, etc.), and you're welcome to use them, but they're just meant to go up and down, not provide the limitless outlet for creativity like the tools and the sand.
Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2014-01-10 19:22:03 UTC
So is that why my ship always looks dirty? Oh wait, its Mimatar, never mind.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2014-01-10 19:25:15 UTC
Easy.

EVE is a game about internet spaceships where everyone gets to be the real douche bag they truly are, but aren't because they fear society's repercussions.

Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?

Captain Tardbar's Voice Discord Server

Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2014-01-10 19:26:23 UTC
"OCD Nightmare"
"The homeland of the Argumentative Nerd"
"Time sink"
"A pain in the ass."
"The Universe of Delayed Gratification"
Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2014-01-10 19:30:55 UTC
You guys on page 2 really ought to read my initial post. o/
Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#28 - 2014-01-10 19:32:48 UTC
1. You can kill anyone.
2. Anyone can kill you.

The game is about keeping doing 1 while avoiding 2.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#29 - 2014-01-10 19:36:42 UTC
Hmmm explain it....

Say "hey what's that over there?" and when they turn, rabbit punch them in the back of the head and take their stuff.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Marsha Mallow
#30 - 2014-01-10 19:37:10 UTC
Eve Online: A Terrible Game™ for Terrible People™ was how it was sold to me by IT minions. I think they were trying to get back at me for fabricating reasons to get them on their knees under my desk fiddling about with wires I unplugged.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2014-01-10 19:57:01 UTC
Verdis deMosays wrote:
You guys on page 2 really ought to read my initial post. o/

Were you looking for approval and agreement? If so, wrong game, wrong forums.

Let's add that to the list, shall we?

EVE: Fight over everything. Agree on nothing.
Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2014-01-10 20:01:59 UTC
That's why its called eve. Its not PvP its not PvE its EvE: everyone versus everyone.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#33 - 2014-01-10 20:06:09 UTC
Verdis deMosays wrote:
So, today I was thinking about how to explain New Eden to other mmo players, and this is what I came up with.

Other MMO:
Give a group of kids sticks, tell them where the pinata is, and that it has enough loot in it to make everyone happy. Watch them go cooperate and break the pinata.

EVE:
Give a group of kids sticks and tell them that somewhere in the neighborhood there is a pinata with just enough loot for one of them. Don't tell them what it is or looks like, or even that the pinata could be another kid. Just tell them everything is fair game. Watch as they beat each other, the ground, the trees, the cars, and some old ladys dog half to death before realizing that there was only a 50% chance that there even was a pinata to start with.

God I love this game.


This is EVE:

You, the new player, are an adorable golden haired child. You are released, alone but with a map, into a large wilderness park teeming with tens of thousands of rapacious pedophiles. If you are cunning, tenacious and lucky, you can eventually become one of the pedophiles.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016

Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2014-01-10 20:10:33 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Verdis deMosays wrote:
So, today I was thinking about how to explain New Eden to other mmo players, and this is what I came up with.

Other MMO:
Give a group of kids sticks, tell them where the pinata is, and that it has enough loot in it to make everyone happy. Watch them go cooperate and break the pinata.

EVE:
Give a group of kids sticks and tell them that somewhere in the neighborhood there is a pinata with just enough loot for one of them. Don't tell them what it is or looks like, or even that the pinata could be another kid. Just tell them everything is fair game. Watch as they beat each other, the ground, the trees, the cars, and some old ladys dog half to death before realizing that there was only a 50% chance that there even was a pinata to start with.

God I love this game.


This is EVE:

You, the new player, are an adorable golden haired child. You are released, alone but with a map, into a large wilderness park teeming with tens of thousands of rapacious pedophiles. If you are cunning, tenacious and lucky, you can eventually become one of the pedophiles.


Well put.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#35 - 2014-01-10 20:14:09 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
You, the new player, are an adorable golden haired child. You are released, alone but with a map, into a large wilderness park teeming with tens of thousands of rapacious pedophiles. If you are cunning, tenacious and lucky, you can eventually become one of the pedophiles.

Eloquent and brutally honest as always.

And this goes back to the whole "sink or swim" mentality. Some people just have it in them to swim with the other rapaciously pedophilic fish, while others fall victim to the notion that there is no way they could ever be dedicated or competitive enough to excel in this environment, so they resign themselves to other pursuits.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#36 - 2014-01-10 20:23:30 UTC
Wall Street. In space. With guns.



If they're Monty Python fans, you can add "Crimson Permanent Assurance."
Northern Misfit
Far Mt Logistics
#37 - 2014-01-10 20:24:36 UTC
I told my daughter, if you mix Mos Isley, death stars blowing up, epic x-wing fighter fights, all of the God Father movies and Jaws together you'll get Eve. Throw in a dash of cloak and dagger spy twists, and learn to use a cloak, don't post on Eve-O forums, read everything but believe nothing, and you'll be good. She's been playing since September :)

High Priestess of the Sovereign Realm of Explosions and Light

Marsha Mallow
#38 - 2014-01-10 20:25:36 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
pedophiles

It's like you are trying to wind people up with your use of this word. And the spelling.

No more threads devoted to you until we start the "CSM for life" campaign. Non consensual PVP ftw.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Verdis deMosays
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2014-01-10 20:31:45 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
pedophiles

It's like you are trying to wind people up with your use of this word. And the spelling.

No more threads devoted to you until we start the "CSM for life" campaign. Non consensual PVP ftw.



I don't know, he makes a compellingly honest argument. Also he is giving me free candy, which he said he would deliver in his white van. I'm quite excited!
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#40 - 2014-01-10 20:49:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Verdis deMosays wrote:
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
pedophiles

It's like you are trying to wind people up with your use of this word. And the spelling.

No more threads devoted to you until we start the "CSM for life" campaign. Non consensual PVP ftw.



I don't know, he makes a compellingly honest argument. Also he is giving me free candy, which he said he would deliver in his white van. I'm quite excited!



Also some puppies!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016