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Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#41 - 2014-01-10 17:53:55 UTC
Torsnk wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Torsnk wrote:


I honestly didn't think this would cause so much rage from people, but since I'm home from work today for being sick it's providing some entertainment for me.



I dont really think this qualifies as rage

You didnt lose anything, and it wasnt CCP who made it happen, so its a nil-all-draw

Maybe you can sue DerpTrolling for your pixels or something I dunno

Also; not peas


No need to sue anybody. Just need to modify the coding a little bit to prevent it from happening in the future. It won't make anyone's gameplay less fun (even hardcore elite PVPers who would like to tackle my Marauder so I can't run away). It will also save time on CCP's end by reducing the number of petitions they need to handle.

Also, regarding your reference to "pixels", I've thought about this considerably (in regards to the importance of in-game items, out of game items, or really anything that we interact with in some way or another). All in all, from an existential perspective nothing has any inherent meaning or significance. Rather, meaning/significance is created inside of someone's mind and attached to something.

In this case, that Marauder represented both time and effort to earn, and thus had some level of meaning to me. So the fact that it is constructed entirely from pixels is immaterial. Much the same way as if I had assembled a cheap puzzle from paper. I would still be upset if someone came along and destroyed it through no fault of my own.


I just figured you were coming to GD to ask for a change to this mechanic. I will get right on changing that mechanic because I, and everyone else in GD have not only the power, but also the will to change things. I mean after all, that is what GD is for right? Off you go then, you little scamp.

"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#42 - 2014-01-10 17:54:11 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:

Well it should be read in this voice:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSHaCzb3yYk

I'm adding it to my sig, been meaning to for ages. Thanks for the reminder!


you are very welcome :)

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#43 - 2014-01-10 17:55:29 UTC
Callic Veratar wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Kimmi Chan wrote:
Sounds to me that something bad happened, you petitioned, and were reimbursed. Problem solved. No need for change.

^^^
This.
Working as intended.


If it was working as intended, he wouldn't have been reimbursed.

How do dreads/carriers in siege/triage handle ewarp? Bastion should be the same.

Miss the point much? As noted by Kimmi - Problem, petition, resolution. Working as intended.

I mean really - How often is this particular situation going to arise? Not very bloody often - That's how often. Why waste valuabe Dev time with a very rare situation when established procedures obviously handle the rare exceptions quite well?
Torsnk
Mustang Capital
#44 - 2014-01-10 17:56:32 UTC
Quote:


ps. OP please don't ask for game changes which will be widely abused. You lost a ship due to a server based shutdown, which is relatively rare. Either the GM was a rookie and unaware of the HTFU policy, or the logs showed stuff. Either way, take your reimbursement and run, you just won Eve.


How would it be abused?

You disconnect -> all your modules are disengaged -> the AI waits until all modules are offlined (which can take up to 60 seconds for the Bastion Module) -> the AI tries to warp out (if you're pointed it won't warp).

Where can abuse occur?
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#45 - 2014-01-10 18:04:36 UTC
Torsnk wrote:


Where can abuse occur?


SO no one would use this if they fluffed a mission, is that right?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Torsnk
Mustang Capital
#46 - 2014-01-10 18:12:09 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Torsnk wrote:


Where can abuse occur?


SO no one would use this if they fluffed a mission, is that right?


Please explain what you mean

If someone was losing a mission they would probably be better off staying logged in and disengaging their bastion module manually and warping away (so they can point at something more closely aligned to the ship's inherent heading) as opposed to logging off, having the bastion module disengaged automatically, waiting for it to offline, then warping off at random.

Is that what you were referring to?
Torsnk
Mustang Capital
#47 - 2014-01-10 18:13:27 UTC
In other words, either case (logged in or logged off) results in the same response.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#48 - 2014-01-10 18:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Torsnk wrote:


Please explain what you mean

If someone was losing a mission they would probably be better off staying logged in and disengaging their bastion module manually and warping away (so they can point at something more closely aligned to the ship's inherent heading) as opposed to logging off, having the bastion module disengaged automatically, waiting for it to offline, then warping off at random.

Is that what you were referring to?


I wasnt referring to your answer (as that is unpossible, but Im just being picky about your syntax for no reason) but yes to use it in that manner.

Aligning and warping manually is never going to be faster than the ship immeadiately entering warp once the bastion deactives.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Torsnk
Mustang Capital
#49 - 2014-01-10 18:17:25 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Torsnk wrote:


Please explain what you mean

If someone was losing a mission they would probably be better off staying logged in and disengaging their bastion module manually and warping away (so they can point at something more closely aligned to the ship's inherent heading) as opposed to logging off, having the bastion module disengaged automatically, waiting for it to offline, then warping off at random.

Is that what you were referring to?


I wasnt referring to your answer (as that is unpossible, but Im just being picky about your syntax for no reason) but yes to use it in that manner.

Aligning and warping manually is never going to be faster than the ship immeadiately entering warp once the bastion deactives.


So e-warp requires no align time? If that's the case, then the e-warp mechanic should be modified to build in an align time.

Also, if that's the case then e-warp can already be abused by missioners without bastion modules using a disconnect to quickly escape a mission.

That is an e-warp abuse issue not an abuse issue for the change I am proposing.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#50 - 2014-01-10 18:19:53 UTC
Torsnk wrote:


So e-warp requires no align time? If that's the case, then the e-warp mechanic should be modified to build in an align time.


If thats the case, you are asking for a fundimental change

Torsnk wrote:
Also, if that's the case then e-warp can already be abused by missioners without bastion modules using a disconnect to quickly escape a mission.


No it cant, thats why PVE timers exist

Torsnk wrote:
That is an e-warp abuse issue not an abuse issue for the change I am proposing.


Your change would result in an e-warp abuse issue

Like I said, Im sure they are working on it.

Just not fast enough for you.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Marsha Mallow
#51 - 2014-01-10 18:29:07 UTC
Torsnk wrote:
How would it be abused?


Torsnk wrote:

2. The ship should automatically disengage the bastion module at log off and REPEATEDLY try to warp off (every 5-10 seconds or so).


Revision:
Torsnk wrote:
the AI tries to warp out (if you're pointed it won't warp).

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day
Torsnk
Mustang Capital
#52 - 2014-01-10 18:29:55 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Torsnk wrote:


So e-warp requires no align time? If that's the case, then the e-warp mechanic should be modified to build in an align time.


If thats the case, you are asking for a fundimental change

Torsnk wrote:
Also, if that's the case then e-warp can already be abused by missioners without bastion modules using a disconnect to quickly escape a mission.


No it cant, thats why PVE timers exist

Torsnk wrote:
That is an e-warp abuse issue not an abuse issue for the change I am proposing.


Your change would result in an e-warp abuse issue

Like I said, Im sure they are working on it.

Just not fast enough for you.


Nope. PVE Timers effect how long it takes for you to actually log off not the time to e-warp. The mechanic is explained here:

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Logging_out

So, once again, this is how the event would unfold:

You are disconnected (for whatever reason) -> the ship disengages all modules -> the ship waits for all modules to go offline (which can take up to 60 seconds for bastion modules) -> the ship e-warps (unless pointed by an NPC or PC) -> the ship logs off after 1 minute or 5 minutes depending on the timer.
Kimmi Chan
Tastes Like Purple
#53 - 2014-01-10 18:30:38 UTC
Okay. It took some doing but I've gone ahead and changed the coding as you have requested. From this point on, in the event you get disconnected from server, the bastion mode will finish its cycle and as soon as it offlines your ship will warp off in what ever direction if is facing when the bastion module offlines.

If you find that the change I've implemented does not work the way outlined above, submit a petition for reimbursement. The petitions will be evaluated on a case by case basis.



"Grr Kimmi  Nerf Chans!" ~Jenn aSide

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Torsnk
Mustang Capital
#54 - 2014-01-10 18:33:08 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Torsnk wrote:
I sent this email to customer support, but they said they couldn't handle it and suggested that I post on the fourms for Dev Feedback.



I support and understand your argument, but I'm not understanding this first sentence. Customer Service forwards Petitions to devs ALL THE TIME.


Here is what the email said:

==================

Unfortunately we in customer support are not able to discuss or make any decisions in relations to game design or any changes made. We therefore ask you to please post your concerns on the EVE forums for further discussion, as members of the Dev team constantly monitor the forums to get feedback and ideas from players. Even if you might not see a reply on all threads, I assure you that all concrete ideas receive consideration internally.
https://forums.eveonline.com/

Best regards,
GM Fox
CCP Customer Support | EVE Online | DUST 514
=================

Just doing what I was asked to do.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2014-01-10 18:34:51 UTC
Plastic Psycho wrote:

Miss the point much? As noted by Kimmi - Problem, petition, resolution. Working as intended.

I mean really - How often is this particular situation going to arise? Not very bloody often - That's how often. Why waste valuabe Dev time with a very rare situation when established procedures obviously handle the rare exceptions quite well?

Disconnects are not all that rare for most people.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2014-01-10 18:38:49 UTC
Also what are you smoking Ramona?
E-warp has the same align time as regular warp. Having a ship attempt E-warp after bastion goes offline would not be abused. In fact it would be stupid to try because your hardeners would deactivate.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#57 - 2014-01-10 18:41:18 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Also what are you smoking Ramona?
E-warp has the same align time as regular warp. Having a ship attempt E-warp after bastion goes offline would not be abused. In fact it would be stupid to try because your hardeners would deactivate.



Electric cigarette Ive jazzed up a bit.

I realise my mistake


And yes you are right.


Both of you.


I just think that complaining about a glitching Marauder thats already been cashed back to you at this length and this seriously is a bit... much really.

But yeah. Soz and whatnoz

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Torsnk
Mustang Capital
#58 - 2014-01-10 18:45:13 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Also what are you smoking Ramona?
E-warp has the same align time as regular warp. Having a ship attempt E-warp after bastion goes offline would not be abused. In fact it would be stupid to try because your hardeners would deactivate.



Electric cigarette Ive jazzed up a bit.

I realise my mistake


And yes you are right.


Both of you.


I just think that complaining about a glitching Marauder thats already been cashed back to you at this length and this seriously is a bit... much really.

But yeah. Soz and whatnoz


The Marauder has been reimbursed (like you said). However, this will likely be a reoccurring issue (for myself and other users) so it warrants fixing. Just a simple request.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#59 - 2014-01-10 18:46:51 UTC
Torsnk wrote:


The Marauder has been reimbursed (like you said). However, this will likely be a reoccurring issue (for myself and other users) so it warrants fixing. Just a simple request.


That's a funny way of typing "apology accepted"

Rich people speak funny

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Marsha Mallow
#60 - 2014-01-10 19:10:04 UTC
Is the bastion module different from cyno/triage/siege/dd module timers/disengage? I haven't tried it yet, genuine question.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day