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-Offer Cancelled- Over 2 Billions ISKs worth of Assets Offered as Collateral or Trade. -Cancelled-

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Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#21 - 2014-01-08 15:16:44 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.

That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.

That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.

I didn't have the time to read everything yet.
It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time.
It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.

I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months.



It is also Obvious that YOUR OFFERING IS TOTALLY UNCLEAR . Change the Original Post as many have suggested and you might get Lucky .

In some verry freaky odd way the more you type to ''clear things up'' the bigger of a mess it turns in to.


Smoke less read more is the tip of the day.


so lesson of the day is MD is the place to troll as people are unprepared for it.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#22 - 2014-01-08 15:50:41 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
so lesson of the day is MD is the place to troll as people are unprepared for it.

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flakeys
Doomheim
#23 - 2014-01-08 16:14:52 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
flakeys wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Also, keep in mind that it is possible for my negotiation costs and efforts to negotiate to raise.

That it will be less worthwhile for me to seek transaction if those costs are above my margin of profit.

That it will be more efficient to either avoid negotiating, transacting, or even getting referrals for that.

I didn't have the time to read everything yet.
It is however obvious to me that I already have overdone the offer due to time.
It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want.

I might have a better offer in 3 to 6 months, then if not, 6 to 12 months.



It is also Obvious that YOUR OFFERING IS TOTALLY UNCLEAR . Change the Original Post as many have suggested and you might get Lucky .

In some verry freaky odd way the more you type to ''clear things up'' the bigger of a mess it turns in to.


Smoke less read more is the tip of the day.


so lesson of the day is MD is the place to troll as people are unprepared for it.



Indeed i was unprepared for it ...

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Kendra Coldera
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#24 - 2014-01-08 17:18:39 UTC
Out of interest? How does one come up with so much gibberish language?

Translate it back and forth via google translator was my first idea but it still looks too senseful (yeah I know, thats a hard thing to say about those texts).
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2014-01-08 17:57:25 UTC
Kendra Coldera wrote:
Out of interest? How does one come up with so much gibberish language?

Translate it back and forth via google translator was my first idea but it still looks too senseful (yeah I know, thats a hard thing to say about those texts).



Most specialised professions as well as netspeak and games like eve generate new jargon based language that increases information carrying capacity amongst the insider group while shielding meaning from outsiders (see medicine /economics /law).
if you mix jargon from economics and eve jargon and then miss out all the contextual information you get the OP and subsequent posts.
The two explanations are troll or an idiot who thinks he is clever and hasn't any idea how far that is from the truth. As OP found the MD forum i assumed the former. If anyone has any more differentials i would be glad to hear them.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#26 - 2014-01-08 21:00:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Either way, in a EVE Trader perspective, I offered to accept quotes on 2b worth of assets as Collateral (or trade).
And yes it was with intentions to contract a loan which could be worthwhile to both parties.

It wasn't intended for a trade since a loan with collateral in defaults can include the transfer of those collaterals (assets).
And so does a trade although that it is not agreed on future consideration for interest unless contracted.


If you are only interested in the kind of healthy competition in which only one party gains, move along.
I am definitely looking for the kind of healthy competition in which both party gains.

It is not intended to be dealing with conflicts of law, medical competition relative to health speculation.


There was and is no rush on this, and most likely is either for March 2014 or after as intended time-period.


There will be and that should be plenty of time not to jump to too early conclusion.


If that amount is too low to be of a pertinent value to the forum channel give me the proof.
I will then try to fix the matter the best I can.

If it is based on speculation without factual information to prove the judgement, it would be made up.
flakeys
Doomheim
#27 - 2014-01-08 21:06:14 UTC
Silvetica Dian wrote:
Kendra Coldera wrote:
Out of interest? How does one come up with so much gibberish language?

Translate it back and forth via google translator was my first idea but it still looks too senseful (yeah I know, thats a hard thing to say about those texts).



Most specialised professions as well as netspeak and games like eve generate new jargon based language that increases information carrying capacity amongst the insider group while shielding meaning from outsiders (see medicine /economics /law).
if you mix jargon from economics and eve jargon and then miss out all the contextual information you get the OP and subsequent posts.
The two explanations are troll or an idiot who thinks he is clever and hasn't any idea how far that is from the truth. As OP found the MD forum i assumed the former. If anyone has any more differentials i would be glad to hear them.



'Wichever of the 2 it is , it's killing me from the inside when reading his posts .

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Brock Nelson
#28 - 2014-01-09 03:53:42 UTC
I'm so ******* high

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Bi-Mi Lansatha
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2014-01-09 10:10:56 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
...It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want....
Every legitimate lender is going to want more details.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#30 - 2014-01-09 16:32:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Bi-Mi Lansatha wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
...It is also obvious that no-one who replied is interested except in getting more details they want....
Every legitimate lender is going to want more details.


Quote:
"1. What I am now trying to find is information on the available opportunities out there.


2. I am willing to pay to get the info and to take the time to review it and come up with an offer.


3. Can you please give me a link or a post, or EVE mail me any contact info?

4. I also accept other references from which I could communicate with you..."


Related to the physical assets themselves being Sparsed over many Pod Pilots,
I suggested to transfer them of pilot before.
That way the assets would possibly be contracted from one pilot instead of multiple contracts.

Related to 1. above:
I will list some opportunities I found in this channel, since no one linked any here.
See below...

Related to 2. above:
If no one is willing to get paid to give me any relevant or pertinent info, I could waive that payment offer.
If no one is willing to get paid to take the time to review related info or offers, I could waive that payment offer.
(It could also save me precious time.)

Related to 3. above:
See the "Related to 1. above:" note above.
I do get your contact info if you post in the channel, although, if it is not relevant...

Related to 4. above:
I meant to refer to alternate negotiation channels.


Opportunities List from 1 Above.:
A. Grendell Loans/Funding
[GISK] ♥ Unlimited isk Available ♥ Deposits Open again!
* Minimum loan amount is 10b isk, and there is no maximum
* I am open to unique situations, so don't be shy and just ask me

B. Vaerah Vahrokha
MRVAHFTCH019 Terms of Collateral Holding Rev. 1.00.00
ARTICLE II – COLLATERAL ATTRIBUTES

1. Collateral may be given one or more of the following attributes:

(i) Undepreciable. Example: Blue Print Originals.
(ii) Susceptible to variations in worth. Example: ships, high traded volume modules.
(iii) Highly susceptible to variations in worth, speculative. Example: Robotics.
(a) Quick to liquidate. Example: Blue Print Originals, Tritanium.
(b) Slow to liquidate. Example: Several COSMOS items.
(1) Easy to liquidate. Example: Unresearched BPO at Jita IV – Moon 4.
(2) Hard to liquidate. Example: Rigged missioning ship in 0.0 security space.

ARTICLE IV – GENERAL COLLATERAL EVALUATION CRITERIA
...
6. Collateral kinds that are not covered by the paragraphs above shall not be accepted.

EvEMarketHistoryDump, an EvE markets OHLC data exporter


According to those 2 values reference above, I would be better off to simply transfer, haul and sell my own items.
The first one until I get 10 billion worth of assets to compensate for a loan risk.
The second one until I get the mentioned items as collateral rather than more generic value items.
Kendra Coldera
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2014-01-09 16:43:02 UTC
flakeys wrote:


'Wichever of the 2 it is , it's killing me from the inside when reading his posts .


Yes it hurts the brain. But it's like with a traffic accident: you cannot help to take a peek >_<
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#32 - 2014-01-09 16:59:54 UTC
It would be a lot faster to just trade the asset on the stations though.


I mean, there is a little potential percentage of ISK loss.

But the speed gained would outweigh the efforts to secure a small loan under 10b.


Let me reformulate this when I get BPOs, Tritanium, Robotics, or high traded volume modules.
(I have no idea what those high traded volume modules are yet.)


If I do get a valid offer that is.
At the given rate, it may very well still be more valuable for me to wait at over 30b worth of assets.
Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#33 - 2014-01-09 17:04:54 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:


If I do get a valid offer that is.


To get a valid offer you would need to make a valid proposal.
For all your waffling you have yet to actually say what it is you want.

User of 'Bumblefck's Luscious & Luminous Mustachio Wax'
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#34 - 2014-01-09 17:09:04 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:


If I do get a valid offer that is.


To get a valid offer you would need to make a valid proposal.
For all your waffling you have yet to actually say what it is you want.

I just said it would not be worth it even if I did have a valid proposal.

There is nothing else to add.

Happy Warfare relationship!
flakeys
Doomheim
#35 - 2014-01-09 17:27:45 UTC
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:


If I do get a valid offer that is.


To get a valid offer you would need to make a valid proposal.
For all your waffling you have yet to actually say what it is you want.

I just said it would not be worth it even if I did have a valid proposal.

There is nothing else to add.

Happy Warfare relationship!



Might i ask you something ? What country are you from ?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Ravenclaw2kk
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2014-01-10 15:38:36 UTC
flakeys wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:
Oiras Isimazu wrote:


If I do get a valid offer that is.


To get a valid offer you would need to make a valid proposal.
For all your waffling you have yet to actually say what it is you want.

I just said it would not be worth it even if I did have a valid proposal.

There is nothing else to add.

Happy Warfare relationship!



Might i ask you something ? What country are you from ?


I think asking which planet he is from would be a more insightful question.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#37 - 2014-01-10 16:06:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Oiras Isimazu
Ravenclaw2kk wrote:
I think asking which planet he is from would be a more insightful question.


I cancelled the marketing offer since it turned more to a weapons bazaar than an economic discussion.

The new updated title reads:
-Offer Cancelled- Over 2 Billions ISKs worth of Assets Offered as Collateral or Trade. -Cancelled-


In as much as all is fair in love and war...

I (and everyone else) can see that you are aiming at Personally Attacking me.

I most likely won't have the (planetary) resources you need to make it worth my while.


21:04
I am being led to believe that this would be better transferred to an information brokerage offer.
However, given the low estimated value of the content in this thread I could not afford to waste ISK on it.

Even if it were to include planning to develop such service seem to require more risk than worthwhile.
The outcome would not likely be a high risk, high yield profit but rather a too high risk high loss due to warfare.

It is not always good to deal with the enemy although it may sometimes be the case.
It is not always good to sell weapons to your enemy to use against others or against you.

Both can prove to be fatal.
Oiras Isimazu
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2014-03-18 16:04:11 UTC
Turned out I was short of 1 billion collateral.

I'd have to start a new thread for 900m or less collateral (or for sale in Sell Orders)...
Karen Avioras
The Raging Raccoons
#39 - 2014-04-06 19:54:59 UTC
sorry for digging up this thread but this **** is just so funny
Nedly Stark
ARAZ Engineering
#40 - 2014-04-06 21:46:33 UTC
Yes yes it is quite humorous but I expect a lock momentarily. :p
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