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Storytime: The hisec carebear and the big bad leet PvP gang

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Dream Kim
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#21 - 2013-10-04 16:59:37 UTC
If you want, my main can WarDec you and give you all the lessons you need.

Unfortunately you only have 5 members and in my experience the mouthy ones such as yourself never actually undock to engage.

Probably the activities of the pilots you mentioned had nothing to do with you and was just part of their regular business model.

Leave it to carebear hubris to believe anything they actually do matters and that they're capable of competing in arms with PvPers.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#22 - 2013-10-08 11:29:19 UTC
yes, indeed. Thanks for comments and thoughtful insights.

holidays atm, but hope to resume my failtard windmill tilting when I return.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Leto Thule
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-10-09 16:21:48 UTC
Night Sword wrote:
too long, cant be bothered to even begin to read


Perhaps you missed the part in the title where it said "STORY".

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BobFenner
Black Hole Runners
#24 - 2013-10-09 20:16:31 UTC
This brought a smile to my face. I think Highsec Wardec Corps are the scum of Eve.

At least Gankers actually bother to fire weapons. Lol

Thread watched for future entertainment
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#25 - 2013-10-15 08:05:00 UTC
I enjoyed it and will keep an eye out for further updates, have fun.

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian, Daichi Yamato, Jonah Gravenstein, Merin Ryskin, Linus Gorp

Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#26 - 2013-10-17 17:13:48 UTC
Subscribed. No matter how many ships you lose, you're winning the war. This war was about you learning, and you are getting that in spades, ships are only isk.

Keep it up, and keep posting updates.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#27 - 2013-10-17 20:46:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
Katherine Raven wrote:
... you're winning the war. This war was about you learning, and you are getting that in spades, ships are only isk.
Keep it up, and keep posting updates.


Thanks, here’s an update

It’s been quite an education so far.

Trying to run a solo hisec wardec against a widely dispersed alliance is hard work. Now I understand why, when I was a miner-noob, the griefers who hassled us worked in gangs and tended to camp gates on our main supply routes or station undocks.

The alliance that I’ve been trying to griefer-grief is spread widely across the cosmos: w-space, Vorsk and associated Minmatar hisec, Osmon / Gicodel SoE mission locations, and a bundle of Amarr hisec systems and regions.

For me it has been an exercise in meticulous surveillance, interspersed with mad 24-gate sprints to try for a single easy(ish) kill. It’s also been an education in tricks and counter-tricks.

Some of the things so far:
- I think they probably know who most of my scout alts are by now. Being solo there are only so many useful alts I can employ, and I don’t have anyone suitable for biomassing and replacing.
- One of their more clever hisec miners moved himself to a humungous system and setup in the belt furthest from any gate. The shortest warp to him was over 50AU, so when I land on his grid he has long-gone. OFC whenever I was in-system he stayed docked. I tried an in-warp corp-switch [1] tackle but made the switch too early (I should have waited until I was decelerating onto grid) and he was still gone when I landed, and now I have to wait another week on that alt. Perhaps a logoffski is my only way to catch him now, but I don’t think I can spare a character just on the off-chance he will start mining there again.
- One of their SoE distribution mission runners has sensibly setup instawarp undock BMs and is using a blockade runner. I’ve been ongrid with him several times but not yet managed to achieve a lock. I know it’s near impossible to catch a well flown blockade runner, often being on the other side of this coin[2], but it’s been fun trying … and anyway my presence and persistence must be reducing his standings / LP flow a little.
- I did manage to tackle a mission-runner battleship, killed all except one of his drones and tanked his damage, only to run out of cap, lose point, and let him run away  Lessons from that one –, torp the drones early with javelins (I was picking them off slowly with a single small autocannon), prolly use EM torps to start with (likely shield resistance hole, despite my bonuses) and take a lot more care with capacitor management (active shield-tanking AB stealth bomber with a cap booster) and watching my range. I got down to half structure, but managed to keep repping my shields up, and got him to half-shields before he ran away. I am counting the fact that he fled as being a moral victory 
- Yesterday I did catch and kill a hulk, a hauler, and a couple of pods … so far for no further losses. Slim pickings, but better than nothing.
- Their numbers have reduced since I decced them, from over 250 to 115 now (DOTLAN stats). OFC this could be natural attrition but, up until the dec, they had been growing steadily. One corp CEO did evemail me and made it clear that their alliance-dropping was due to the hassles of the wardec. Perhaps clutching at straws but I’ll claim another moral victory here.

Plan.

Stick with it for a while longer and see whether I can improve my seek-and-destroy tactics. Keep on trying to locate their wormhole. Try and come up with more tactics and ideas to improve my chances of gaining more kills. Resist the temptation to open more accounts to get more scout alts – CCP would approve but my bank manager would not.

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1. in-warp corp-switch. Intending tackler starts out in non-combatant corp but with application accepted to the wardec corp, just not confirmed by the tackler. Opens the corp window to recruiting tab, commences warp to target (could be done while stationary, but I wanted to have no decloak delay – recon – once ongrid with target) and during that warp hit the ‘accept’ button on the corp recruitment offer. The idea is that when I land I am at war with the target and able to lock / point him instantly. You can only do this once a week per character though.
2. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=77821&find=unread … yes, I do like writing rambling longwinded stories 

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Archibald Thistlewaite III
The Royal Society for the Prevention of Miners
#28 - 2013-10-18 13:25:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Archibald Thistlewaite III
Substantia Nigra wrote:

1. in-warp corp-switch. Intending tackler starts out in non-combatant corp but with application accepted to the wardec corp, just not confirmed by the tackler. Opens the corp window to recruiting tab, commences warp to target (could be done while stationary, but I wanted to have no decloak delay – recon – once ongrid with target) and during that warp hit the ‘accept’ button on the corp recruitment offer. The idea is that when I land I am at war with the target and able to lock / point him instantly. You can only do this once a week per character though.


I believe doing that is classed as an exploit. I think there has to be a session change after joining a corp in order for the 'war target' standing to be shown on the overview and engaging a war target before that will get CCP involved.

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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#29 - 2013-10-18 15:18:20 UTC
Archibald Thistlewaite III wrote:

I believe doing that is classed as an exploit.


Thanks, that is interesting. Clearly I am going to need to do some more checking on that front.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

ISD Ezwal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#30 - 2013-10-23 22:46:26 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Ezwal
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Draugy
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2013-10-25 12:07:08 UTC
I love this to bits. Keep up playing EVE your own way! Don't let anyone discourage you!
Ciaphas Cyne
Moira.
#32 - 2013-10-26 03:25:56 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dosnix
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ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#33 - 2013-10-27 22:35:33 UTC
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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#34 - 2013-10-27 22:54:53 UTC
Wrap-up:

Thanks ppl, for your comments, assistance, and support. My little windmill-tilting wardec vendetta has now drawn to a close … and the raging solo carebear claims moral victory and heads off out to nullsec again.

The hisec wardec stuff was an interesting learning experience for me but was not a whole lot of fun. I managed a few kills, died once, and learned a lot about how those griefers operate. The actual griefers just kept hopping and dropping corps and it became clear pretty quickly that the alliance CEO didn’t really give a stuff about his people … other than his griefer alts.

It did not take long for the people in the alliance to realise this and their numbers reduced beyond half during the wardec (15SEP up until last week) - http://evemaps.dotlan.net/alliance/Fearless_Flying_Frogs/stats/2013-08-15:2013-10-25. I’ve spoken with some of their people and the wardec had made it clear to them how bad their alliance was. This galvanised many into leaving, and a couple to applying to the nullsec alliance I’ve been affiliated with for a wee while now.

As was my goal last posting, I did manage to locate and enter their w-system. Before decamping back to Vale I advised them of this fact and left them a little reminder - http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20132739. That discovery should keep me in sporadic entertainment well into the future.

I also have the hisec POS of the main griefer gang. That will also provide some future entertainment.

Take homes:
- Don’t pay ransoms;
- You *can* solo hassle an alliance bigtime … even if you’re a ‘solo raging carebear’;
- wardec costs are a bit of a pain, but often you can piggy-back onto other people’s decs for free;
- Hisec griefers prefer defenceless targets and are agile corp hopper-droppers when someone responds with a little aggro;
- It’s not terribly difficult to find an enemy w-system if you know how;
- The true colours of your alliance ‘leadership’ show through when you come under a little duress;
- You can meet some decent people during wardecs.


TYVM all.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Katherine Raven
ALTA Industries
Intergalactic Conservation Movement
#35 - 2013-10-28 16:26:19 UTC
Thanks for sharing your story. :)
Anthologee
Reversing Entropy.
Gimme Da Loot
#36 - 2014-01-09 23:52:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Anthologee
Just found this,quite amusing.
Heres some things that where left out :
1. we where after their highsec research tower,it was around 500million isk worth of value,not one of the better ones at the time,so we offered a "ransom" to not dec them (admittedly we had no intention at the time as it was worth less then the other wars we had.) the towers which had more labs and more chance at bpo's we didnt ransom as to not tip them off.
2. when substantia declared war,he did not try and fight,his prefered tactic was to sit cloaked in a manticore and afk.
3. he decided to try and show his pvp prowess by going after an indy corp and alliance and targetting their miners.
This is how that worked out for him when he targetted a hulk beside an orca
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19719478
4. when he told me to pay or lose my pos,i did exactly what i needed to ensure his 10 alts in bombers couldnt touch,and that was make a D*ckstar.
since then,good olg teg mentum and substantia suicide gank miners,piggyback on wardecs and cloak up waiting for that perfect moment and thats about all.
As to how our career went? We continued on for about 3 months,teg continually wardeccing then sitting in his cloakies,but that didnt stop us,this wasnt nullsec.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=1624738&m=8&y=2013
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=1624738&m=9&y=2013
http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=1624738&m=10&y=2013
we lost i believe one maybe two ships (mining barges) to tegs suiciding (it stopped after several failed attempts on a procurer)
He however lost a 300million isk manticore when he tried to kill a hulk who used an orca to swap ships.

Teg mentum and substantia had all in all about 10 alts,all cloaky and was quite unhappy he didnt get his ransom from my new D*ckstar,bad enough to give as much chase as he could.
The "stupid null bunny" tower was named as such,for his unwillingness to fight despite the war dec and tendency to stay cloaked in several systems to and around where we hung out. he would log in then go to work,doing as they do in renting systems with the cloakies.


*Edit*
Added links for the "Pics or it didnt happen"
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Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#37 - 2014-01-10 00:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Substantia Nigra
yay, they live :-)

p.s. I had a long chat with the guy who pulled the ghost-rider on me ... sneaky b.tard that he was. In between calling him uncharitable things I was very complimentary of his little trick, kudos to him. Curiously, after that chat, he applied to come join our alliance, and seems to be happily and competently defending Vale from TEMP right now.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2014-01-10 10:33:24 UTC
Well we are recruiting, if you want to learn high sec art of warfare. But we are a bit picky on people that at least do not have a history of loosing billions for each million they kill.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Mehashi 'Kho
New Eden Motion Pictures
#39 - 2014-01-10 10:50:58 UTC
Lmao, the fact the guy tries to save face as an npc corp member is quite funny.

Good on you mate, especially if you are only learning. Leeroying into a corp of multiple players would be less than smart, afking in their systems and hunting those away from the main school was your best chance at picking some off.

You may have lost an expensive covops, but its hardly a chest beating achievement to kill a covops in a heavy assault cruiser, you just got unlucky to be decloaked. In future in those situations, I would suggest always warping to 10km or so after checking for any roids, cans, corpses etc that may decloak you, if things look bad when you land you have a chance at bouncing out, and you only have to burn 1km to grab point if things look good.

My take aways from reading.

1. Solo player gives something new a go, and has some fun.
2. You lost a ship but learned a lesson in the process.
3. You dissuaded them from their original purpose.
4. You inspired some of the hostile members to change sides.
5. You didn't give in to an extortion attempt from someone without a spine to back it up.

Entertaining read anyway :)
Anthologee
Reversing Entropy.
Gimme Da Loot
#40 - 2014-01-10 14:01:51 UTC
Mehashi 'Kho wrote:
Lmao, the fact the guy tries to save face as an npc corp member is quite funny.

Good on you mate, especially if you are only learning. Leeroying into a corp of multiple players would be less than smart, afking in their systems and hunting those away from the main school was your best chance at picking some off.

You may have lost an expensive covops, but its hardly a chest beating achievement to kill a covops in a heavy assault cruiser, you just got unlucky to be decloaked. In future in those situations, I would suggest always warping to 10km or so after checking for any roids, cans, corpses etc that may decloak you, if things look bad when you land you have a chance at bouncing out, and you only have to burn 1km to grab point if things look good.

My take aways from reading.

1. Solo player gives something new a go, and has some fun.
2. You lost a ship but learned a lesson in the process.
3. You dissuaded them from their original purpose.
4. You inspired some of the hostile members to change sides.
5. You didn't give in to an extortion attempt from someone without a spine to back it up.

Entertaining read anyway :)



1. solo player with 10 alts* fixed that
2. he lost a ship going after a hulk and orca. he warped in cloaked,got close,decloaked to kill a hulk with his no risk cloaky,then got caught.
3. check the links i sent,we continued on and where quite successful,made more then 20billion isk in total from labs,and bpo's from said labs.
4. no members changed sides,one person who was looking for more pvp happened to join a nullsec renting group,who substantia happens to be allied with.
5. he later tried to extort my pos,and failed to do anything. he even went as far as posting my pos location everywhere he could to get backup.
And yes im in a npc corp currently,in between what i want to do in eve atm. so why swap through 15corps when i can figure it out then join an appropriate corp?
i wouldnt expect you to learn any of the facts (5 i listed just then) also it was a recon ship that caught his manticore trying to be an assault frigate.
you keep saying "solo" when in fact he had 10-15 alts in total at his disposal.
What we used where oracles,cap stable tower bashing oracles,his pvp efforts where to cloak in t3's and or bombers. the only ships he ever actually went after where miners.
I do love people who dont know what they are talking about.
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