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Have Goons become the very thing they hated?? (i.e. BoB)

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Aiwha
Infinite Point
Pandemic Horde
#81 - 2014-01-10 02:29:47 UTC
Andski wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
http://themittani.com/features/are-slowcats-overpowered


A little blast from Goons Tech fueled past.


Hilmar Keller wrote that article and he's in your coalition, gg



And your editors approved of it. That awsome CEO update that dexington posted seems to sound the same way. Unbalanced when goons do not benefit.




DROP YOUR SUPERS.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#82 - 2014-01-10 02:34:24 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Aiwha wrote:
Andski wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
http://themittani.com/features/are-slowcats-overpowered


A little blast from Goons Tech fueled past.


Hilmar Keller wrote that article and he's in your coalition, gg



And your editors approved of it.

Allowing an article to be published does not mean they agree with it.

Aiwha wrote:
That awsome CEO update that dexington posted seems to sound the same way. Unbalanced when goons do not benefit.

I don't see any arguments regarding balance in the CEO update. If anything his (and the other relevant directors') willingness to subsidize a carrier for anyone who could fly one should have been an indication that something was a little off whack. In any case GSF never used them often enough to continue the program.

Aiwha wrote:
DROP YOUR SUPERS.

Drop your pretense.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#83 - 2014-01-10 03:10:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Aiwha wrote:
And your editors approved of it. That awsome CEO update that dexington posted seems to sound the same way. Unbalanced when goons do not benefit.


They approve anything that is relevant to the readership's interests. Your point?

I'm sorry that your coalition's viewpoint is poorly represented on TMC but maybe you should focus on recruiting literate players and not just whoever has a supercapital and a pulse

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Thead Enco
Domheimed
#84 - 2014-01-10 03:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Thead Enco
Andski wrote:
Aiwha wrote:
And your editors approved of it. That awsome CEO update that dexington posted seems to sound the same way. Unbalanced when goons do not benefit.


They approve anything that is relevant to the readership's interests. Your point?

I'm sorry that your coalition's viewpoint is poorly represented on TMC but maybe you should focus on recruiting literate players and not just whoever has a supercapital and a pulse
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#85 - 2014-01-10 03:19:10 UTC
Maybe they should write for TMC.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
stoicfaux
#86 - 2014-01-10 03:42:07 UTC
Mostlyharmlesss wrote:
Please, someone tell me why this article is incorrect. 2 pages and a bunch of grr-goons but not a single argument to prove the article wrong.

It's not that the article is wrong, it's that it is a thinly veiled attempt to nerf slowcats given the inability to counter them.

And it's not about whether drone assist is imbalanced or too easily abused, it's about how CCP is going to rectify the situation without appearing to play favorites and without screwing over players who are relying on, and have heavily invested in a valid game mechanic.

It should be interesting to see how CCP handles the situation.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#87 - 2014-01-10 03:56:28 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't see any arguments regarding balance in the CEO update. If anything his (and the other relevant directors') willingness to subsidize a carrier for anyone who could fly one should have been an indication that something was a little off whack. In any case GSF never used them often enough to continue the program.


So the goon carrier program failed, while others managed to build the op carrier fleet your tried to build... so now you want carriers nerfed, it makes sense.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#88 - 2014-01-10 04:01:51 UTC
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't see any arguments regarding balance in the CEO update. If anything his (and the other relevant directors') willingness to subsidize a carrier for anyone who could fly one should have been an indication that something was a little off whack. In any case GSF never used them often enough to continue the program.


So the goon carrier program failed, while others managed to build the op carrier fleet your tried to build... so now you want carriers nerfed, it makes sense.

Who said it failed? The point is we're not a scrub alliance that can't see any way of winning that doesn't include carriers. We didn't use them that much because ultimately we didn't really need them.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#89 - 2014-01-10 04:02:13 UTC
So, I guess what we can conclude from all these calls for archon nerfs is that goons are losing, yes?

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#90 - 2014-01-10 04:06:11 UTC
I guess what we can conclude is that NPC forum alts have nothing interesting to say.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#91 - 2014-01-10 04:08:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I guess what we can conclude is that NPC forum alts have nothing interesting to say.


Well, I wouldn't go that far.

But if someone is trying to say that the Archon focused drone assist tactics used by N3 are not overpowered/broken/mechanic abuse, crowing over the invincibility of said tactic is not a choice I would have made.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

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stoicfaux
#92 - 2014-01-10 04:15:27 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
So, I guess what we can conclude from all these calls for archon nerfs is that goons are losing, yes?

Too soon to conclude. The Goon Master Plan is to "encourage" their opponents into using an obviously imbalanced game mechanic to the point that their opponents put all their eggs into one (very expensive) basket. Then CCP nerfs the one trick pony of drone assist, thus undercutting the enemy in a most humiliating fashion, which causes a lot of people get disgusted at CCP and creates a huge river of "we've destroyed your game" tears.

The Goons are brilliant. Or would be if CCP would hurry up and implement their part of the plan.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#93 - 2014-01-10 04:21:17 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The point is we're not a scrub alliance that can't see any way of winning that doesn't include carriers.


Are you not trying to make CCP nerf carriers, so that you can win, how does that not include carriers?

You don't want them, can't beat them, need them nerfed to win. But what do i know i'm just a scrub in a npc corp, and you are an elite pvp'er in bob, oh sorry i mean gsf.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
dilly nay
State War Academy
Caldari State
#94 - 2014-01-10 04:21:50 UTC
If Goons hated Bob and now do as Bob did you can either assert Goons are now what they hated or you may at least suspect Goons were Bob the entire time.

/thread
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#95 - 2014-01-10 04:22:02 UTC
I should mention actually that I have an alt that's only a few months away from flying the Archon. I'm still going to train it, but that doesn't keep me from maintaining my position.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2014-01-10 04:23:53 UTC
dexington wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The point is we're not a scrub alliance that can't see any way of winning that doesn't include carriers.


Are you not trying to make CCP nerf carriers, so that you can win, how does that not include carriers?

No actually, we're pointing out the imbalance. We don't make CCP's decisions for them and I would think that'd be pretty evident considering recent history.

We can win without the nerf. Doesn't mean the nerf shouldn't happen.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Arkady Romanov
Whole Squid
#97 - 2014-01-10 04:35:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkady Romanov
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I guess what we can conclude is that NPC forum alts have nothing interesting to say.


Well, I wouldn't go that far.

But if someone is trying to say that the Archon focused drone assist tactics used by N3 are not overpowered/broken/mechanic abuse, crowing over the invincibility of said tactic is not a choice I would have made.


The problem is a combination of drone assist and archon spidertank blobs. Separately, they are powerful, but combined they are absurd. Both are in need of a check and balance or two.

If I had to pick one or the other to be done away with, I'd personally choose drone assist. Whether you agree that it is broken or not, its pretty hard to argue that it is actually a fun way to engage in combat. Once drones are assigned, only one person in a 256 man fleet is actually doing anything. That is boring as hell.

Whole Squid: Get Inked.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#98 - 2014-01-10 04:59:12 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
So, I guess what we can conclude from all these calls for archon nerfs is that goons are losing, yes?


yes their 300 sp-a-rtans are holding us back if that fits in your fanfiction narrative

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
logic principle3
Doomheim
#99 - 2014-01-10 05:14:28 UTC
dilly nay wrote:
If Goons hated Bob and now do as Bob did you can either assert Goons are now what they hated or you may at least suspect Goons were Bob the entire time.

/thread


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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#100 - 2014-01-10 05:39:10 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Too bad DBRB is right.

I don't believe anyone here is so stupid as to actually believe that slowcats are balanced. They're either the ones currently using them and are being intentionally dishonest in order to convince people they're fine, or they're random pubbies who don't have anything intelligent to contribute and think they're being clever.


totally cuss 1200 sub caps is balanced to eh?

edit if i were to rebalance fighters?

i would double thier hp

increase the mwd by 50%

reduce thier sig radius by 1/3

increase base damage by 50%

that and change the thanny bonus to 5% to fighter damage and hitpoints per level

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.