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Have Goons become the very thing they hated?? (i.e. BoB)

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DRGaius Baltar
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2014-01-09 20:48:28 UTC
CCP you are our only HOPE!


TLDR, Goons literally needs CCP's help to continue "winning EVE"

"Can't figure out a strategy against one ship doctrine"?

Answer: "nerf it" "it's not fair!"

Is this what the future holds for the rest of us that believe in real strategy and theorycrafting? "Nerf it because I can't win fast enough"
Priestess Lin
Darkfall Corp
#2 - 2014-01-09 20:50:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Priestess Lin
Of course they have, look at the clowns who comprise them. Its the biggest bandwagon in EVE history. And their leader makes excellent laughing stock.

When discussing weaknesses of heavy drones vs fast frigates: baltec1- " A thanatos with a flight of geckos killed a bomber gang while AFK. So yea, they track frigates just fine." https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4678049#post4678049
Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
#3 - 2014-01-09 20:51:20 UTC
DRGaius Baltar wrote:
CCP you are our only HOPE!


TLDR, Goons literally needs CCP's help to continue "winning EVE"

"Can't figure out a strategy against one ship doctrine"?

Answer: "nerf it" "it's not fair!"

Is this what the future holds for the rest of us that believe in real strategy and theorycrafting? "Nerf it because I can't win fast enough"



Possibly, but at the same time that article does make some rather valid points.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2014-01-09 20:54:18 UTC
Ambassador Crane wrote:
DRGaius Baltar wrote:
CCP you are our only HOPE!


TLDR, Goons literally needs CCP's help to continue "winning EVE"

"Can't figure out a strategy against one ship doctrine"?

Answer: "nerf it" "it's not fair!"

Is this what the future holds for the rest of us that believe in real strategy and theorycrafting? "Nerf it because I can't win fast enough"



Possibly, but at the same time that article does make some rather valid points.


then why are his numbers all completely wrong even down to the ship costs?

lol
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#5 - 2014-01-09 20:54:36 UTC
Thank you faceless NPC corp forum alt for this public service announcement.




Now back to our regularly scheduled program, already in progress.

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#6 - 2014-01-09 20:55:20 UTC
Yes...

/thread

...
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#7 - 2014-01-09 20:55:23 UTC
Priestess Lin wrote:
And their leader makes excellent laughing stock

But he's thinner and more personable than the last few.

If Remedial were still here, we'd be discussing all the different ways we can eat ham.

Spoiler: "With our mouths" would still lead in the polls.
Inquisitor Kitchner
The Executives
#8 - 2014-01-09 21:05:01 UTC
Yes

"If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#9 - 2014-01-09 21:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
If you replace "Balled archons are nigh on indestructible and have no effective counter, CCP fix plz" with "AOE doomsdays are nigh on indestructible and have no effective counter, CCP fix plz" then I think you'll find we're on the same side as we've always been.
I guess that makes N3 BoB, then, given they've seemingly fallen back on "scream about proposed fixes that would take away our OP toys on forum alts".

I mean maybe its just me, but don't a lot of those corp names look familiar too??

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

stoicfaux
#10 - 2014-01-09 21:26:22 UTC  |  Edited by: stoicfaux
*chuckle* Numbers and stats galore, but not one mention of the drone delegation drone assist problem. Translation: CCP isn't going to "fix" drone delegation drone assist, instead let's get Someone's entire fleet of Archons nerfed. Now *that* is a cost effective way of countering an enemy's cost advantage.


edit: fixed terminology

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#11 - 2014-01-09 21:31:46 UTC
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Have Goons become the very thing they hated?? (i.e. BoB)

To a degree, that's inevitable. The position they hold carries some inescapable social and organizational frieght. They are victims of their own success. Best thing for the Goons to have happen would be for a 'New Goons' to arise. Unfortunately, Goons are so hyper-dominant that it's *very* difficult for such to happen; I'm not even sure what or how many conditions would need to change to let such a boon appear.
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
#12 - 2014-01-09 21:35:52 UTC
You either die a hero, or live long enough to see yourself become the villain.


...aaaand since every tactic successfully used against the goons for some reason soon gets hit with a nerf bat.....

Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings?
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2014-01-09 21:40:03 UTC
Ambassador Crane wrote:

Possibly, but at the same time that article does make some rather valid points.


5 year old mechanics are suddenly a problem because Goons can't beat them. Big smile

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2014-01-09 21:42:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
stoicfaux wrote:
*chuckle* Numbers and stats galore, but not one mention of the drone delegation problem.
Funnily enough, if they changed it so that drone assist worked like drone delegation, a large part of that problem would vanish.

Sentamon wrote:
5 year old mechanics are suddenly a problem because Goons can't beat them. Big smile

5 year old mechanics are suddenly a problem because the scale has changed over those 5 years.
I can't recall anyone actually figuring out a way to beat them that doesn't come down to “get n+1 of the same”, which is pretty much the death knell for any mechanic…
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2014-01-09 21:45:27 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Too bad DBRB is right.

I don't believe anyone here is so stupid as to actually believe that slowcats are balanced. They're either the ones currently using them and are being intentionally dishonest in order to convince people they're fine, or they're random pubbies who don't have anything intelligent to contribute and think they're being clever.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
TharOkha
0asis Group
#16 - 2014-01-09 21:48:05 UTC  |  Edited by: TharOkha
Although i don't like goons very much i must admit that this whole drone assist is nothing more than bypassing and cheating basic principles of battle mechanic in EVE

Its just stupid that one small insta-locking frigate can control thousands of drones and bouncers and thus bypass lock time of carriers resulting in instapoping almost everything what loads on grid.

Drone assist needs to die. At least for sentry drones

CODE. Venture hunt contest in a nutshell
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2014-01-09 21:50:22 UTC
"Guys, remote AOE doomsday is overpowered."
"LOLGOONTEARSLOLRISKAVERSEROFLCRYBABIESGB2WOWPANDASLOL"

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#18 - 2014-01-09 21:55:40 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Too bad DBRB is right.

I don't believe anyone here is so stupid as to actually believe that slowcats are balanced. They're either the ones currently using them and are being intentionally dishonest in order to convince people they're fine, or they're random pubbies who don't have anything intelligent to contribute and think they're being clever.

You have to admit, you're no longer as free from whine as you were during the days of Tau Ceti.
Mortimer Civeri
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2014-01-09 22:00:24 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
Ambassador Crane wrote:

Possibly, but at the same time that article does make some rather valid points.


5 year old mechanics are suddenly a problem because Goons can't beat them. Big smile

5 year old mechanics aren't the problem, it's players/alliances now rich enough to take advantage and abuse them to their fullest. It used to be that fleet fights with 100 battleships were particularly newsworthy for a null fight, now 100 capitals are a small tiff not even worth mentioning.

"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." Calvin
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2014-01-09 22:00:33 UTC
Logical 101 wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Too bad DBRB is right.

I don't believe anyone here is so stupid as to actually believe that slowcats are balanced. They're either the ones currently using them and are being intentionally dishonest in order to convince people they're fine, or they're random pubbies who don't have anything intelligent to contribute and think they're being clever.

You have to admit, you're no longer as free from whine as you were during the days of Tau Ceti.

Be nice if people checked my character before they ask me about things that were before my time.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
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