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About to start Level 4 Security Missions *4 month old player*

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Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2014-01-09 18:55:42 UTC
Looking for some good vet/experienced player advice.
I am running level 3's easy now, really enjoy it- But I have heard a lot of hugabaloo about lvl 4's.
I'm a little hesitant to spend 200 mil on a nice BS with drones and get my arse blown up.
I ain't made of isk..yet

Ill be getting a dominix and would like some input on which fittings to never leave home without- and how to conterract the ecm stuff I've been reading about.

any input is nice and will be considered.

As a new pilot, im sure there are many things I am missing or haven't thought of.

thanks in advance
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2014-01-09 19:11:19 UTC
come on people, im at work all day and need some info!
drop by, say hai! something?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#3 - 2014-01-09 19:12:17 UTC
never leave without a mobile depot, along with extra tank mods, extra damage mods, and extra prop mods. If its your first time in a domi, use to steamroll level 3s for awhile before you jump to 4's, as quickly doing 3's is better than slowly doing 4's.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2014-01-09 19:14:49 UTC
Thanks Batelle. Can you clarify a mobile depot? ill evelopedia it too. I just like to get player's explanations and POV's. eve search is a bit dry and makes assumtions that you know what you're doing.
but roger that on getting used to it on the lvl 3's
sabiens
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2014-01-09 19:17:24 UTC  |  Edited by: sabiens
Check each level 4 mission in eve survival. Make sure you know about damage types and resists. You can also join the helpmymission channel and run missions with people there. The extra dps from their ships will leave you much more room for error since dps = tank. Then after you make some isk and have some skills solo the level 4s. You can also test fits out on the test server.

ps Watch the warp scrambling frigates in Worlds Collide or you might get full room agro and your ship popped.
logic principle3
Doomheim
#6 - 2014-01-09 19:18:19 UTC
The dominix has an awesome bonus to drone optimal range. If you combine this with any sentry that is not a garde you have incredible range projection (you just need to use the right damage type as you are no longer using the top DPS drone). You can theoretically push a curator into hitting above 100km, which is the 3rd shortest range drone.

With that in mind, you really do not have to fit an incredible tank and you can still not have much of a concern of blowing up. How to do this? - May I point you toward the MJD.

[Dominix, New Setup 3]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Co-Processor II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L
Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L
Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L
Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Bouncer II x5
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2014-01-09 19:21:40 UTC
logic principle3 wrote:
The dominix has an awesome bonus to drone optimal range. If you combine this with any sentry that is not a garde you have incredible range projection (you just need to use the right damage type as you are no longer using the top DPS drone). You can theoretically push a curator into hitting above 100km, which is the 3rd shortest range drone.

With that in mind, you really do not have to fit an incredible tank and you can still not have much of a concern of blowing up. How to do this? - May I point you toward the MJD.

[Dominix, New Setup 3]
Large Armor Repairer II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Co-Processor II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Large Micro Jump Drive
Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I
Sensor Booster II, Targeting Range Script
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L
Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L
Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L
Dual 250mm Railgun II, Spike L
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Drone Scope Chip I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I

Bouncer II x5



GREAT THANKS ! there is a lot of info here that I wasn't aware of- I will EFT that fit and see what it looks like. Some of these items ive never even heard of, thank you for taking the time to post so I have a starting point to do some research!
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2014-01-09 19:33:51 UTC
confirming domi is pretty easy mode awesome. Once you sit in it don't stop training drone skills till you have t2 sentries, drone interfacing 5, and gal battleship 5.

Use navy drones until you get t2s.

Use 1 set of gardes for closer targets and 1 set based on the weakness of the opposition. It works because gardes are shortest range, highest dps, and thermal is the 2nd or 3rd weakest resist. The other 3 types are longer range, lower dps, but you can always pick a set that is the weakest resist. You can switch drones in your bay with a mobile depot or when you accept a mission.

Always drop your MD when you drop sentries. A lot of times you'll be taking so little dps from being at range that you'll want to be able to fit up to 4 DDAs and a magstab.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Gimme more Cynos
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2014-01-09 19:51:40 UTC
Just don't be affraid.

Large MJD on a Domi is eazymode, and theoretically, you shouldn't die with it in lv's 4.. ever.

Large MJD and a mobile Depot = even more easymode (thought that isn't possible, hum? ;))
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#10 - 2014-01-09 20:00:43 UTC
Gardes for under 50km. Bouncers for mid-range 48km-80km, Wardens for long-range 90km+.
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2014-01-09 20:06:47 UTC
all this info is mind blowing and super useful- thanks for taking the time to help a noob-

Question about the ranges-
WTH would I be doing at 50k-90k distance? just drone damage or are there Large rails that actually shoot that far? ill be researching but on my BC using rails- im only at like 30-40 k--- im assuming ammo type and skills will play in to this?
Ezra Blade Blade
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2014-01-09 21:00:20 UTC
ok thanks folks, this is a good amount of information to start with-- appreciated
Corthon
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#13 - 2014-01-10 03:15:58 UTC
Simple. Do not do missions for fun. If you do them for fun as your eve career you will be immensly bored quite fast and perhaps quit, and we need all the pilots we can get. Just do missions for a source of income, and then spend your days thinking about funner things like nullsec activites or wormholes. Saying that as a new player I highly suggest battleclinic for your ship fittings. Fly safe o7
Corthon
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#14 - 2014-01-10 03:17:58 UTC
And as it stands the most popular ships -flavor of the month- are ships that can fi a micro jump drive and use sentry drones basicly range tanking, Dominix does this very well, however I highly enjoy the raven hull and all its variants the most bieng able to fling cruise missles at others from very good distances and still being able to tank like a brick.
Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
#15 - 2014-01-10 05:30:52 UTC
Drones can be a bit tricky to use in some of these missions. So a Domi wouldn't be my first choice as a level 4 mission runner, but you can manage. A Megathron or Hyperion might be a much better choice. And beware of the criminals amongst us who are shooting MTU's, and stealing loot. Make sure those drones are set to passive.

**Bringing WAR and TERROR to a system near you.... **

Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#16 - 2014-01-10 10:28:27 UTC
Personally I would agree with "Gimme more Cynos" put a Micro Jump Drive on my Dominix (if you use one) as you can jump away from NPC frigates that scram you then once the scram is out of range, warp away safely if needed. (Bearing in mind if a PLAYER scrams you, you are unable to use it but they shouldn't get that close)

This modules has saved me from countless scramming frigate rats and various interceptors in Nullsec.

Also Domi with sentry drones use no ammo and are very effective against killing frigate rats.
Hagraven Marecek
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2014-01-10 10:30:41 UTC
Domi setup is ok, but I tried a little alternative which works fine for me-instead of equiping domi with large guns (which cause trouble with fitting), I use a set of small lasers. Domi has no bonuses for guns anymore, so it doesn't matter which ones you want to use, and it does not do any considerable damage with any of them either. With small guns:
1) you dont have to use the co-processor, so you can fit something else instead-with low skill points I would suggest third armor hardener, or adaptive nano membrane/Damage control. Just in case something goes wrong ;)
2) you use the small guns to destroy frigates, so you don't have to switch drones between sentry/light-you just shoot the big targets with your sentries, and small targets with turrets.

I don't say it's better, just giving you a little alternative which works too :)
erg cz
Federal Jegerouns
#18 - 2014-01-10 10:47:56 UTC  |  Edited by: erg cz
As a newbee he will probably need a range tank. So expensive hyperion with its short target range can be tricky. Dominix requires to sit still and not all L4 missions allow this. Megathron can be an interesting option as it has longest target range and guns are easier to use, than sentry drones. But it has only 75 drone bay...

When I planned to utilise L4 missioning as my main source of income, I decided to go amarr ships, cause with dronnes and lasers you do not need to reload or buy ammo. So no I use Armageddon navy issue for this but it is limited by the fact, that lasers do only two kinds of damage. Just as rails. Dominix and normal Armageddon do not have bonuses for guns, so you can use whatever guns on them, even artillery, which will allow you to ajust your damage type to mission. Armageddone will allow you to use missiles or bigger guns, but it is his only plus against Dominix. Dominix is better, IMHO. You will need one high slots for drone link augmentor any way, so both ships will have 4 or 5 guns.

[Dominix]
Reactor Control Unit II
Large Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Armor Kinetic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II

Sensor Booster II
Cap Recharger II
Large Micro Jump Drive
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I
1200mm Heavy 'Scout' Artillery I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Large Nanobot Accelerator I
Large Sentry Damage Augmentor I
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2014-01-10 15:08:03 UTC
The downside to training for the dominix, is the massive amount of skillpoints you need to invest in drone skills.

The dominix is a great drone boat, and ccp have generally been improving and making drones a valid weapon system on more ships. The major downside to drones is the npc aggro system, you can't really use anything except sentry drones, and not a lot of ships are good sentry platforms.

The skill points you invest in drones are not useful on all ships, and they are only 100% effective on very few ships. If you train gunnery skills, you are going to have more options to train for different ships, compared to training drones.

The first ship i trained for when i started was the dominix, and i had a good time flying it, but when i got bored with missions i was stuck with drone ships for a long time. Vexor, Myrmidon and Dominix are going to be the most viable ships for you to fly, make sure you like all of them before you commit to training drones.

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.

Treborr MintingtonJr
S.N.O.T
S.N.O.T.
#20 - 2014-01-10 15:50:41 UTC
Even though drone aggro is an issue, its managable, if you can target and order drones to engage ships at around 135km using the Large Micro Jump drive to put yourself into this position (I aim for around 100km) nothing should get near you to even do any significant damage to them. If one does get too much aggro, pull it back into your drone bay then put out another, easy. You can also use the MJD to reposition yourself.

If you can, fit either an armour rep or a shield rep to repair your own drones while they are in space.

You can also use this drone aggro to your advantage in some situations, I've found that if the rats concentrate on your drones and ignore you then you don't get as much damage, if any. I've been in some complexes where no rat targets me, giving me the option to cloak (when I have one fitted) when a hostile enters the system.

Personally I'd say its a good investment in skill points and have not got bored of my Domi. Range tank has saved me from ganks countless times.
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