EVE General Discussion

You think that might have something to do with the fact that low sec and 0.0 are primarily populated by groups who engage in coordinated fleet/small gang PvP and who carefully select their engagements, while high sec is basically an overpopulated, messy, uncoordinated, inexperienced, wardec-centric derpfest?

This obviously doesn't consider FW, but whatever. Farming. lol.

Well, aside from disputing that claim in it's entirety, I would also postulate one thing:

The only time you can die in highsec (barring the tutorial mission) is if you've done something stupid. If you're awake and aware, it is almost impossible to die.

Nothing. The biggest carebears remain the 0.0 carebears and the guys who make ISK in highsec would probably flock to those groups for their secure isk making.

It is my opinion that all highsec carebears who can use guns intrinsicly can, or at least want to pvp on a more regular basis but are afraid of loss because it was not engrained into them early enough. The entirety of new eden would just turn into a clusterfuck free for all to begin with but will eventually stagnate as existing groups consolidate power over the disorganized newly formed ones.

This is probably the biggest reason CCP wont remove highsec; its not that it will loose a significant portion of its player base, its that the existing blocs of power will easily move into the newly available space and nothing will really change in game except for the fact that players who once prefered doing what they want are now due to answer to CTA's. Which may not be what they want to do with their free time.

mining income might be less of a sad joke. maybe?

Bah, utter bullsh*t.
Most people who start by mining do it because it give them time to get more knowledge about the game, it is a low intensity thing to do while still providing some income; soon enough they go beyond this phase and find something they consider more interesting to do.
The ones who go on a one man mining fleet are not the majority, by far.

Ask the guys.

I don't need to ask them.

I've been on vacation irl for a while(cursed in laws paid for the flight so I had no excuse not to go), but when I'm actually at home and playing, I literally spend about 1/3 of my time harassing and killing these people.

I've seen their sickness.



Aside from RVB or other such, pretty much no.

No, I said to ask the guys who do not mine, not the ones who do.

And if the low/null seccers have a standard vision of their idea of a "carebear", would someone among them describe it ?
So that I can see what I am talking to.

Sure, I'll take a crack at it.

At their very core, the carebear is made of 2 things, that may or may not be in equal proportion.

Those things are Fear and Greed. Greed for assets, always more, always increasing. Fear of real players, who might not have strictly better combat skills, but more importantly have the will and ability to use them.

These two things combine together to create a mindset that quite simply cannot handle loss of the imaginary assets we all play with. But most especially, they cannot countenance that loss coming from another player. This both frightens and enrages them simultaneously, hence the bile and vitriol that comes out of them when they are confronted with loss.

This is called "tears", and due to a segment of the playerbase finding this misplaced rage to be hilarious, the extraction of said tears has become a primary industry in EVE Online. That segment that enjoys the verbal flailing of the carebears even does such things as put their various collections online, sharing stories and trading these tears among one another for amusement.

The carebears are not unaware of this, which only heightens their sense of being persecuted.

But for some reason, their behavior doesn't change. They don't see negative consequences arising as a result of their actions, but instead shift all the blame onto the existence of other players. They are unable to consider that they have done anything "wrong".

Which is why so very many of them are bound and determined to act as though this is a single player game.

Interestingly, the opposite is actually true.

The "classic" MMORPG itemization is present in EVE. Ultima Online, which many things in EVE were based upon, was the first MMORPG, and it had item loss on death as well.

If you didn't make it back to your corpse, whatever it had on it could easily be lost. Much the same in EVE where your wreck (corpse) has what is left of your ship.

Nowadays, gamers are thoroughly coddled, because gaming became more mainstream. Personally I blame World of Warcraft, although it was really Everquest who started it. However Everquest at least had a fairly hefty death penalty even though it wasn't loss of items. But it was WoW that first started the penalty free death among MMOs. Although perhaps FPS games are to blame, with the whole respawn concept. Idk.

What I do know is that without a sense of loss, the sense of accomplishment is diminished.



Correct. While highsec may not be exclusively carebears, carebears do almost exclusively live in highsec. Kinda of a square-is-a-rectangle sort of thing.

I would argue that the people who explode over the loss of pixels, and attempt to petition the company to prevent them from losing pixels again, would be the ones to describe as bitter about how others play a computer game.

I merely enjoy farming them for the lulz, so to speak.

I've also never heard a ganker flip out and call anyone a, and I quote: "C**k welding F****t wifebeater". Whereas I have entire pages of this from my various victims.

Heck, even while on vacation this last 3 weeks + I got some hatemail from someone I scammed out of a Rupture blueprint early in December, and I hadn't even logged in since. Bitter? Not I, sir.