Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The reason for the above post is, recently I decided to do a 3 part mission, were the end result was an implant worth between 1.2 to 1.5 bil.
I was doing this mission whilst doing other stuff didn’t realised I had been located. Then a fast frigate and a Gila (neutral corps so can’t war dec) were in my site. Once I realised this and realised what was going on, I started to move my alt in but was too late. They had achieved their objective.

My choices were to buy the objective item of them for 600 mil, or buy another off contracts for the same price, or cancel the mission and loose standing.

missions are no no-pvp areas. If they steal something, you are allowed to shoot them already, whats the issue?

I guess best defence against this is (if you know who will drop the loot) to save them until last and then close to close range to kill them and loot the wreck immediately. I'm guessing the character was princess something or other...apparently they do this all the time although the use of the NPC corp to avoid possible war-dec seems a bit close to exploiting the system.

My usual response to ninja salvagers is to blow up the wrecks. Logic being that even if I blow up every single wreck, I'm still making mission complete bonuses, and they're not. I've done that to three ninjas, and every one has moved on.

Most call me crazy, but they go find someone else to peck on.

Plus it's really funny to lock up the wreck, wait until their salvager activates, then blow it up. Makes them ragey.

I want to know what mission arc gives something that valuable aside from COSMOS missions.

If I remember right, most of the cosmos mission sites can be run by anyone at anytime. I remember waiting with 4 other players to tag the named rat when he spawned, but 10 minutes later, he re-spawned anyway.

Besides that, If someone got a suspect flag for warping to another players mission then I want a flag for anyone who warps to my belt and mines there. I was there first so that makes it mine, right?

Same logic to me.

Look up some PvP fits and pick something that works for you. Any Frigate can be dealt with very quickly by anything with a scram and web. Best of all, they will never expect it.

Now that I've read more replies, it does seem a bit silly.

Also, on a related note, there used to be a CONCORD agent someplace offering a one-time mission that dropped crazy stuff, something like X-type stuff and a Machariel blueprint. I ran it on my own once without problem, but the time I tried it with some buddies so they could claim the loot too, someone came in and stole the mission objective and the expensive stuff. Which was quite frustrating. Some time later, the agent was removed from space due to the people sitting there, collecting Machariel BPCs. IIRC anyway. So this could be similar, and in the case of limited offer missions (not regular "story"line missions though, I'm referring to agents from the example and COSMOS missions) I do agree it's a bit too easy to hit the jackpot as a ninja looter.

Maybe instead of becoming unprobeable or somesuch, move at least the mission objective to a locked can, accessible only if you have a special keycard in your hold. Or just to the person who accepted the mission. This way, you can still be blown up, bumped, annoyed, have your expensive loot stolen - but not having to cancel your once-per-character, cannot-be-redone thing.

Only on one time only missions though. Normal missions are still fair game.

I understand that some people will disagree, noting that everything should in principle be fair game. I would be one of those people, but I feel it's a bunch too easy to scam COSMOS runners out of a PLEX worth of ISK. Scamming's fine, but put some words into it.

I agree with this bit, although I would tend to the think the can containing the mission completion loot, and only that can, should only be accessible with a mission-specific key code of some such.
I'm all for scamming, if you fall for a scam that's your fault, but this lies too close to exploit and/or the bad type of griefing for me in that you lose standing for not being able to complete a mission. The rest of the loot is fair game, you won't see me argue that it shouldn't be, just not the mission completion can.
I'll even go so far as to concede that in cases where the mission completion loot drops with other items from 1 ship, the mission completion should be in a can all to itself.

I don't follow your reasoning.

OK, it's multiplayer game, that just means that a lot of people can play at the same time. Nowhere does it say that they have to cooperate or interact with other players if they do not wish to. The other bits are self-explanatory so don't need any discussion.

It's not in the rules so if someone wants to be anti-social then I see no reason to criticise them for playing the way that suits them.

Each to his or her own I say.

Tons of people play single player games at the same time. They're still single player games.

The ability to interact with other players is the defining feature of any multiplayer game. In EVE, a PvP sandbox* game, you absolutely do not get to opt out of interacting with other players (well, you can play on SISI, I guess).

*It's a sandbox means that you can try anything you want, and so can everyone else. Which might include preventing you from achieving what you wanted to do. You should read this post.