EVE General Discussion

Shut down high sec and you'll lose more than half your players. CCP would decay and the game would shut down.

…but it's not actually measuring what we're interested in. It has to be transposed into something completely different, which means it all hinges on random guessworks about the correlations between what we have and what we want. That makes it unverifiable and not actual data — it's just random guesswork, because that's what the “data” creation method consits of.

You will never get an exact number unless you can filter out accounts who have docked more than once in that period. It is simply not posible for anyone else than CCP to get the correct numbers.

I would rather look at the ratio between ships kills and pods as a way to see if there is a lot of PvP. NPC's do not pod.

Well for such claims you really need to cover it with some official dev statistics (total destroyed isk in hi, low, null per year)
Until then, its just your speculation, because there a lot of Pirate BS losses in hisec too (with a price tag similar to your beloved carrier), that are not in this statistic (as well as your capital ships)



Now, when i hear "nullsec" (especialy sov null player) the words like "supercilious and uppish" comes to my mind.

Because while i admit that nullsec drive big portion of economy, you obviously denying the fact that hisec is a big player in this field too. That is the main difference.

Because while Im glad that there are four difference places for different players with different playstyle and preferences in EVE (low,hi, null, WH), you obviously disdain everything and everyone except null players.

I play in all of EVE except wormholes. I am at the moment blitzing missions in Lanngisi. Only people who limit themselves to high sec only see EVE as 4 separate "Zones". The rest of us understand that New Eden is one place.

What I disdain is delusional people who are unable and unwilling to properly interpret data if that data is contrary to their personal tastes or self-interest.

... and next you will list some successful pure PvP MMOs. Good luck with that.

It's fairly obvious this is a troll thread.

But the same question repeated ad nauseam may deserve different replies in different years.

In fact, we are talking about a special product: a sandbox MMO where players perspectives and game features change over time.

I think a subtle line may be drawn: in the past casual players, "PVEers", "F2P", "competing MMOs" were all mostly uncommon or downright not existing things.

Ask this thread question in 2004... nobody would have really cared about most of the factors above.

EvE was an engrossing, new universe to explore, paying an AAA grade sub (multiple subs strongly encouraged by game design!) were obvious things. A blank slate sandbox universe for everyone so bold to go take it? GOOD!

Then the years passed. The blank slate became less blank. CCP's "greed is good" did not reduce a bit, so the AAA grade sub stayed - they actually tried adding more burdens. But hey, it was still "sub MMOs" and the competition games were something pathetic at best.

More years pass. The blank slate now is definitely well full and somewhat tired. New content trickles in, game is in a sort of "active maintenance mode" where great expansions a la Apochrypha are actually and publicly shunned by the very game designers (don't ask me to go find the precise posts, this is all common knowledge or EvE-Searchable anyway). At least partially F2P games become not just a reality but actually almost the norm. Luckily for EvE, the only competition is called Star Trek Online and similar other poor excuses for MMOs.

More years pass. Game's definitely stale. Some off-springs have grandiously failed or shown tight limits (WiS, PI, Dust itself). News about content are sparse and Fanfest is more of a "good intentions talk room" than something followed by facts.
Sub is still AAA grade though. Notice the (not so) subtle change in demographics: in old times, the concurrent player numbers would slowly rise before an expansion and then would stay strong for a couple of months till the "novelty factor" wore off. Nowadays, players come in relatively late, peak at expansion date and then in few weeks they are back to normal.
This is a sign of overall interest declining. Old players return to see if this time CCP finally implemented something worth playing. But whatever they put in, is exhausted and then those players return doing something else.

In the meanwhile, old competitors like Entropia Online (the "evil brother sandbox" implementing several words including an harsher version of a spaceships sandbox) keep churning out new content. Other games like Star Citizen appear on the horizon. And the worrysome truth is that EvE lived so good so far, not because of it's over-time increasing, unbeatable quality and merits but because the others downright sucked hard.

So, EvE in my opinion is slowly losing grip, slowly losing momentum. It's staying playerbase are less and less fidelized, many look around. It's like a big, fat giant standing on feet of clay.
If CCP will keep doing... nothing new, come something big or powerful enough and EvE is ripe to crash.

The first to go will be the many who developed less ties to the game, those who did not develop massive human networks over the years, those who did not invest years learning the "secrets" of the game in its whole.

Who are those less attached to EvE and thus easier to quit?
Worrysome to say, it's a large amount of players, exactly the profile the OP wants to nerf.

Those who only did casual play, who did not invest their being into the deepest game features, who did not develop years strong friendships. Those who form the "players turnover".

All those bring a sizable income to CCP, but it's not reliable. Keep beating on them and they SHALL move to greener pastures.

After all if some dude for inexplicable reasons finds fun to waste his life shooting red crosses and pays for something I'd not do even if paid for, then let him in peace!

EvE is not progressing at the moment, it's mostly stationary. But anything could tip its direction towards a slow but steady decline.
I am very displeased to see a great game being abandoned like that, but it's not in my capability to add new content or features. All I can do is try preserving it as long as possible and flinging nerfs left and right is definitely not the way to preserve anything.

What would happen if high sec was nerfed?

The same thing that happened to Shadowbane & Darkfall. Pure PvP mmo's don't succeed. You need your casual player base to survive.

There's plenty of action to be had in low sec and null, the 'hardcore' crowd are too sissy to fight each other far too often.

0.0 alliances NAP much? Why? You want the PvP 23/7, then everyone should be red and follow NRDS. Until then, the 'hardcore' crowd are just the whiny hardcore crowd.

Sucks, but it's the truth.

That's a pretty fundamental principle of EVE, yeah.

To answer the question posed by the thread title:

Lots of people would cry. Claim they are going to quit.

The changes go by largely ignored.

Inflation is decreased, and everyone benefits without realizing why.

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Now, as to the meat of the argument, the real question is how do we nerf highsec?

My suggestion has always been to reintroduce the risk that should have always been there. That being wardecs. Killrights should be generated on players leaving a corp during a war.

And if people are that risk averse, there's always NPC corps. If you were the kind of player to dec dodge, you didn't deserve assets in space anyway, and likely wouldn't have them in the first place.