EVE General Discussion

Rookie corp = Best corp.

Brave newbies seems to be doing alright considering they're full of new players. They all seem to have fun.
Sounds like you just found a crap corp.

This advice, while sounded good...is ..well...stupid.

If you try to fight a hisec wardec corp....EVEN IF YOU DELIBERATELY SHOW UP IN INFERIOR FORCES...they will not fight. We tried many times when we lived in hisec to actively fight these wars and at NO TIME did the wardeccing corp fight us. They just hung in stations or try to pick off single PvEr's

Do not fight hisec wardeccers. It is a waste of time.

What I would like to see is this implemented by CCP:

- When you wardec another corp or alliance some sort of structure appears somewhere in hisec...if the wardeccers have a home system in hisec then that would be good. This structure can be attacked by the wardecced corp/alliance and, if destroyed, the wardec is over. This would make these wimparse wardec corps actually have to fight if the target they wardec wants to fight.

Now you see, this thread has a template of a problem and solution that I see being repeated in just about every subject. Whether it's MMOs or say the behavior of geeks at hacking conventions, it's the same template:

1. People are ass hats.
2. Someone calls for a "governing body" to change the rules and deal with the ass hats.
OR
3. The people who are not ass hats are fully capable of solving the problem.


We are very lucky that the publishers of Eve Online are descendants of Vikings and not the people who safely came over to America on a boat after all the natives were corralled and then started feeling squishy and guilty about everything. For it this were not the case, the EULA would have us checking off on "sensitivity training" or "anti-bullying certifications" or something pointless like that.

Instead the Vikings don't care, and that's fine, it's not their goal nor their job. But that leaves it up to us, the players. And those of us who do care, whether it's for actual noobs or the future of the game (and such that noobs are the future of the game because, well, having careers, families, etc. is the true test of capsuleer immortality).

So there are corporations built around helping new players.

And even the goons, love them or hate them, treat noobs well. As much as I don't like goon propaganda, I actually agree with Mittani on some of his points (the "naglfar rant") regarding the snobbery of nullsec SP requirements. Goons also have a ship replacement program will replace ships - unless you use a Tech 2 as a Cyno ship in VFK and Harry Forever pops it. They have limits.

But this template, every time I study it, in every case this kind of issue of conduct shows up, the called-on solution is for some governing or sanctioning entity to clamp down. But all that will do is drive off better people. I can recall in the more collectivistic school system where they would punish everybody for something a few kids did, and the kids who did it would be in the back, snickering and smirking about it. If you can get CCP to gentrify this game, then you let this arrested-development element highfive each other and get jollies over it - and they will still be "in the back" and looking for new ways to circumvent any measures taken to control them, knowing they "win" by causing more controls on everybody else. When people clamor for more rules or mechanics to restrict in this game, I wonder if they should be careful what they wish for.


The best solution is to let the players deal with it. Wrecks can be abandoned, creating a huge hit on the salvage-agro-gank crowd. Where is TEARS? If someone can-flips or steals loot that is not abandoned, they are flagged suspect and can be shot by anybody. What, nobody wants to "white knight" on this? That's nobody's fault: there's nothing to gain from babysitting someone's aspie alpha in a game. You can transfer killrights too. Suicide ganking is not as profitable as it used to be, but hey if you still want to put hundreds of millions of ISK in a ship that a destroyer can pop and then autopilot it, that's still your problem.


People who come into this game seeing shortcomings in how noobs are treated or what chances or opportunities they have would be better off taking matters into their own hands. The tools are already at hand, the freedom to do it is still there.

Remember, you won't get far complaining to a Viking about your feelings.

Sounds like you were in the wrong corp. Depending on the size of the war dec corp, if you get AWAY from your corps home system you would of prolly had zero harassment during the duration of said war. Sure they can use locator agents, but most of the time war decing small or inexperienced corps, unless they are mercs paid to do something, is usually just hunting for easy targets. My corp over the last 7 years has been war decd at various times, you either get well away form the majority of your mates for a week, or you give them a few fights and get your nose bloody. Its not that difficult if you know what you are doing... heck its not that difficult if you don't.

OP, this isn't a bad idea.

What game did you come from?

I assume it's where a n00b player can hang with the level 80 thunderclap wizards

EVE is not that sort of game. It's better (minus the lack of Thunderclap wizards. EVE needs hats).

Mmmm cake...

Not sure if troll (I really hope it is).

Not sure if troll. I'll assume it isn't.


This^

OP, you managed to list the WORST possible advice for this game.

1. Join a corp. don't join a corp with poor leadership. Join a corp that knows what they're doing and can show you the ropes.
2. Don't mine (unless you love it), don't mission (unless you love it), do what you find fun. If you don't know what that is, ask for help from that corp you joined. Look into FW. Look into exploration. Look into industry/PI. Look into station trade/hauling. Look into ganking. Look into awoxing/safaris/corp theft/scamming. If any of these terms are unfamiliar, you have no right to be giving advice to other players.
3. PVP is NOT something you wait four months to do. The primary barrier for pvp is player skill, not character skill. Eve's biggest weakness concerning pvp is the down time between fights, making it more difficult to learn mechanics. The character skill training system is not a huge problem. Also, how can you say anything about the first 3-4 months of play after having played for only 20 days?

Well put.

If we dont take into the account the people who just randomly see a game and decides to buy it without doing any research most people should at the very least check out some basic information of the game, which should lead them to EVE New Citizens Q&A Resources which contains a lot of information that is really handy for any new player, and they would also find a guide that is made purely to help new players figure out where to look for a corp, what to look for, what to avoid, where to find the information needed and what kind of traps they can fall into if they are not careful.

If a player chooses to not look for any information at all, and instead jump into the game blindly.. well... that leads to threads such as this, this or the thread we are currently posting in.
While these threads can be amusing to read, it can also be frustrating because it often shows how few people actually reads up on the game and uses the resources made available by both CCP and players to help them get an easier start in the game.

So, its not that a new player dosent know where to look, its simply that they dont bother because "I played ***** for X amount of years, i already know all there is to know about online gaming".