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CCP Mobilizing! Flee for your lives! The Ash Cloud Cometh.

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buck herrick
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#381 - 2011-11-23 23:55:14 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Denidil wrote:
RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.


do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless.


If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money?

You didnt think this cunning post through all the way.



umad bro?
CCP Punkturis
C C P
C C P Alliance
#382 - 2011-11-23 23:56:08 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
CCP Punkturis wrote:
this was fun:3 I hope to get more of you on my killmails soon!


No doubt, I am super bitter I wasn't on, its good to see the Devs in space again.


I'll put you on top of my hit list for next timeBlink

♥ EVE Brogrammer ♥ Team Five 0 ♥ @CCP_Punkturis ♥
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#383 - 2011-11-24 00:04:11 UTC
Wasn't there but response from corp members has been overwhelmingly positive - seeing Devs playing the game they invest so much of their time into can only be a good thing as you can see matters from our POV.

P.S. If you need help fitting ships, I suggest Failheap Challenge. Alternatively, feel free to contact me ingame ^^

Keep it up!
Raivi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#384 - 2011-11-24 00:23:34 UTC
Raivi wrote:
Oooh. Now we might get to see if anyone at CCP remembers how to fit ships. ;)


Guess not. :P
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#385 - 2011-11-24 00:24:25 UTC
It's really cool that CCP is flying fleets around...

But do you really need to carry around a bunch of valuable **** to donate to the inevitable Tech-fueled hotdrop that you will receive each time you do this? The game is imbalanced enough without donating valuable loot to people who really, really, really, really, really don't need it.

Next time, fly Drakes and Hurricanes like everyone else who isn't a part of the Goons/DRF cartel, and leave the expensive cargo behind. That's the only part of this which isn't cool at all.
Enkill Eridos
Draconian Enforcers Available To Hire
#386 - 2011-11-24 00:26:21 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Denidil wrote:
RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.


do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless.


If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money?

You didnt think this cunning post through all the way.



Because CCP makes this game you moron! If they really wanted to they could charge real money for anything they wanted to. (Please don't charge us real money for ships to prove this point.) It only has a cash value, because CCP wants the equivalant of a subscription for it so they don't really lose too much money. The only unethical thing CCP has done is not permabanning you for being a moron.

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Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#387 - 2011-11-24 00:27:58 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Denidil wrote:
RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.


do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless.


If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money?

You didnt think this cunning post through all the way.


Actually they haven't sold you anything:

"Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP".

You just own thin air. Congratulations. Blink

C.
Echo Falls
Adherents of the Repeated Meme
#388 - 2011-11-24 00:33:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Echo Falls
RougeOperator wrote:
Denidil wrote:
RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.


do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless.


If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money?

You didnt think this cunning post through all the way.


If they could be converted back into cash then you may have a point, but they can't legally (in CCP's view) .. Heck, modules being dropped can be sold to make ISK to buy PLEX .. It's exactly the same, whether they are tech 1 or faction.

It's fairly easy ..

Money converted to Plex = CCP gets cash.
Plex converted to money = CCP doesn't make $15 .. Oh no, sky falls in! (Not to mention that it is against the UELA)
Modules converted to ISK converted to Plex = CCP gets cash.

So you are complaining that CCP is not making some money from this and someone gets to play for free for a month.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#389 - 2011-11-24 00:50:04 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
hey, does any of you have my corpse?
I hope some nice pilot saved it and it's not just floating all alone somewhere in space Smile

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#390 - 2011-11-24 00:53:28 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
Cailais wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Denidil wrote:
RogueOperator PLEX and NeX store items have no real world cash value. they cannot be traded for cash without violating the EULA.


do the planet a favor and shut the **** up, because you're goddamn clueless.


If they have no cash value then how come CCP sells them for real money?

You didnt think this cunning post through all the way.


Actually they haven't sold you anything:

"Your Account, and all attributes of your Account, including all corporations, actions, groups, titles and characters, and all objects, currency and items acquired, developed or delivered by or to characters as a result of play through your Accounts, are the sole and exclusive property of CCP".

You just own thin air. Congratulations. Blink

C.





The Sold you game time. What you do with it is up to you. But that game time has a Dollar value.

Echo Falls wrote:


If they could be converted back into cash then you may have a point, but they can't legally (in CCP's view) .. Heck, modules being dropped can be sold to make ISK to buy PLEX .. It's exactly the same, whether they are tech 1 or faction.

It's fairly easy ..

Money converted to Plex = CCP gets cash.
Plex converted to money = CCP doesn't make $15 .. Oh no, sky falls in! (Not to mention that it is against the UELA)
Modules converted to ISK converted to Plex = CCP gets cash.

So you are complaining that CCP is not making some money from this and someone gets to play for free for a month.


CCP gets money every time the sell a plex. But those plexes also have a very important in game value. When they just generate them out of thin air it causes INFLATION. They basically just devalued everything in the market.

Which is a huge insult to players as it means their IRL money they spend on plex is now worth less.

There are many other issues with the way you are trying to logic this out. But Plex is a form of currency and has a IRL dollar amount value.

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i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
sHaKeDoWn..
#391 - 2011-11-24 00:54:36 UTC
Really enjoyed it, even though I got no loot.
On the bright side, whored some nice kill mails though Lol
CCP Stillman http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11653167 Top damage dealer.
CCP Awesome http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11653231 Top damage dealer.
CCP SessionChange http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11653011 4th Top damage dealer.
Then my brave little Stealth bomber, was shot to pieces by Pandemic Legion http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=11653868 which I also enjoyed Lol
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#392 - 2011-11-24 01:03:04 UTC
Makes me laugh all this talk of CCP loving goons. Ever since the t20 incident it was always "waahhh CCP are still helping BOB, they've got a track record" etc etc. Now BOB is dead and almost forgotten, goons are next to be accused. Hey, those russians are getting big, CCP IS HELPING THEM. Incursion runners getting rich? CCP IS HELPING THEM. Success is possible without CCPs help, just because you haven't figured it out yet doesn't mean others can't.

HTFU&STFU
Obsidian Hawk
RONA Midgard Academy
#393 - 2011-11-24 01:03:12 UTC
Kind of sad i missed this.

Glad to see devs were out and about.


Really mad i didn't get to shoot forum devs for locking my threads! I wanted revenge.

Why Can't I have a picture signature.

Also please support graphical immersion, bring back the art that brought people to EvE online originaly.
supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group
#394 - 2011-11-24 01:12:22 UTC
Nice to see CCP still just spawns what they want. I am sure all the CCP players running bill ships + fits really worked hard for all that isk right?

Hey maybe rather than spawning yourself ****, and giving guys with tons of money more money... why not fix the damn game...

Seems like the forums are working reallllll well.

So eve goes down, and the forums go down the sametime as this dumb ass event... and let me guess... had nothing to do with it right?

LOL...

And if it did not! It just shows you people need to be spending time learning how to do your job, not playing a game, or you should be getting a pink slip.
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#395 - 2011-11-24 01:18:54 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
Nice to see CCP still just spawns what they want. I am sure all the CCP players running bill ships + fits really worked hard for all that isk right?

Hey maybe rather than spawning yourself ****, and giving guys with tons of money more money... why not fix the damn game...

Seems like the forums are working reallllll well.

So eve goes down, and the forums go down the sametime as this dumb ass event... and let me guess... had nothing to do with it right?

LOL...

And if it did not! It just shows you people need to be spending time learning how to do your job, not playing a game, or you should be getting a pink slip.



such high quality rage and tears today.


we should name today

Tearfest 2011


i want a shirt that says " i survivied tearfest and all i got was this snotty tissue"
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#396 - 2011-11-24 01:19:16 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:

Actually I was asking you for feedback on how the system should be improved... It's an honest question as we want to be able to improve upon what we do. Who is this "we" you're referring to just so I'm clear?


As long as you keep doing these events and visit other people around low and null sec... i could care less what you drop, so long as i have a chance to get some of it in your next event! I want CCP killmails and i want them naow!

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CCP Necrogoat
C C P
C C P Alliance
#397 - 2011-11-24 01:36:12 UTC
That was a good laugh. The best bit was doing the space murders.

Software Engineer | Team Shapeset
Xavier Holtzman
Sith Interstellar Tech Harvesting
#398 - 2011-11-24 01:41:17 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
Nice to see CCP still just spawns what they want. I am sure all the CCP players running bill ships + fits really worked hard for all that isk right?.


The idea of CCP logging in and grinding ISK to buy ships for an event is quite simply asinine. They created and run the game. Why in the world would they "work hard for all that isk" when they work hard enough to give you this game to enjoy? You don't enjoy it? You are certainly free (and encouraged) to leave the game.

If you owned an ice cream shop and you wanted a bowl of ice cream, would you pay your business the same amount of money as customers do for a bowl of ice cream? Of course you wouldn't. You would get yourself a bowl of ice cream (which you own as part of your business) and eat it.

Moreover, the whole point of the event was to have fun and do some "testing." I could understand people being upset if employees of ccp were creating expensive ships out of thin air, and using them for regular gameplay. However, it is quite obvious that this is a special event and not somthing that happens in the course of your everyday gameplay.

I do not like the men on this spaceship. They are uncouth and fail to appreciate my better qualities. I have something of value to contribute to this mission if only they would realize it. - Bill Frug
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#399 - 2011-11-24 01:48:59 UTC
supersexysucker wrote:
Nice to see CCP still just spawns what they want. I am sure all the CCP players running bill ships + fits really worked hard for all that isk right?

Hey maybe rather than spawning yourself ****, and giving guys with tons of money more money... why not fix the damn game...

Seems like the forums are working reallllll well.

So eve goes down, and the forums go down the sametime as this dumb ass event... and let me guess... had nothing to do with it right?

LOL...

And if it did not! It just shows you people need to be spending time learning how to do your job, not playing a game, or you should be getting a pink slip.

I find this amusing since one of the chief complaints around here is that they make poor gameplay decisions due to not playing and not knowing their game.
Swearte Widfarend
Ever Vigilant Fountain Defenders
#400 - 2011-11-24 01:52:42 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
When your done with your logical fallacy laden tripe come back and have a real discussion.

No one said they shouldnt run events. Or interact with players.

They should not however have had such Items in their cargoholds that have clear Cash values. A plex and Nex items do have such values a battleship does not cause i cannot DIRECTLY purchase one with cash.

I wouldnt be surprised if this ran afoul of possibly gambling laws or some tax laws since those items have a cash value.


The thing I love most about forums if people who think they can use phrases they've learned from others to sound smarter than they are.

Quote:
a logical fallacy is only asserted when the source is not a legitimate expert on the topic at hand, or their conclusion(s) are in direct opposition to other expert consensus.


I can go right now, to an website where I can, with my hard-earned cash, buy ships fit exactly like the CCP devs flew today. I can also buy plex, NEX items, and anything else I want, with cash. (other than PLEX, this is against the EULA, BTW - don't do it).

I can also buy all of those things with ISK, which I can earn, in game, by spending time, or I can acquire, by selling timecodes which I paid for with cash.

That is not a logical fallacy. That is a fact. Experts would agree with those facts.

According to recent reports, and the massive uptick in the ISK value of PLEX, a Titan is only worth about $1500 USD right now. It used to be much closer to $5000, by the way. I can say that because I can translate (roughly) the value of ISK to USD based on the price of PLEX and GTCs. Everything in EVE has a dollar value.

Now, if it were determined that CCP spawned the PLEX and NEX items (and ammo and mods) rather than acquiring them through normal channels in game, that is a problem. And that, frankly, is the only possible problem.

On a side note, I was not present today either, because I was at work earning my cash to pay for my subscription and GTCs I use to get ISK for ships.

Democracy is only as good as the despot managing the voting booth.